Here is a test for you.
Re: Here is a test for you.
Tenn-RGR wrote:1. 45ACP 230 gr Lawman from Colt 1911 12 sheets
2. 9mm 147 gr Gold dot from Glock 17 14 sheets
3. 40 cal 165gr flatnose from Glock 23 18 sheets
4. 44mag 240 Starfire(PMC) from Ruger 7" Redhawk 18 sheets
5. 12ga 1oz Winchester pumpkin Slug 14 sheets
6. 22 Long Rifle Unknown 25 sheets
The slugs performance shocks me a bit. I have seen one go through an unarmed man, 3 walls and through 3 more occupied apartments.
It was a good day to be the assisting officer.
95-98 Aco. 3/75 2nd plt Weapons Sqd
98-01Hco 121st LRS
Former LEO
Former Contractor
LEO (round 2)
98-01Hco 121st LRS
Former LEO
Former Contractor
LEO (round 2)
Here are the results. The 12 ga slug did about the same as the .45 and was beat by the 22 LR. BUT the 12gauge nearly knocked the table holding the target. Obviously, penetration and lethality are different animals. A kenetic pulse thing maybe.
Still kind of interesting. 9mm winner
(Muz. vel/KE @ muzzle)
1. .45ACP 12 sheets (845/365)
2. 9mm 21 sheets (985/317) (Hollow Point NO expansion)
3. .40 cal 19 sheets (1060/412)
4. .44 mag 18 sheets (1300/900) (Hollow Point NO expansion
5. 12ga 12 sheets (dented 2-3 sheets after penetration) (1600/2488)
6. 22 cal LR 13 sheets (1255/40)
Still kind of interesting. 9mm winner
(Muz. vel/KE @ muzzle)
1. .45ACP 12 sheets (845/365)
2. 9mm 21 sheets (985/317) (Hollow Point NO expansion)
3. .40 cal 19 sheets (1060/412)
4. .44 mag 18 sheets (1300/900) (Hollow Point NO expansion
5. 12ga 12 sheets (dented 2-3 sheets after penetration) (1600/2488)
6. 22 cal LR 13 sheets (1255/40)
C 2/75, 1st Plt, Wpns Sqd 76-79
RS 3-78
Mattoon's Goons
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RS 3-78
Mattoon's Goons
A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve --
is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including his life.'
There was no expansion of any round except the 12ga pumkin ball which deformed a little. Both the .44 and 9mm were hollow points and did not expand/ deform at all! :? WTF is up with that?TC204 wrote:Interesting, I didn't think the 9mm would out penetrate the 44mag. Maybe having less energy it doesn't expand as fast as the 44, letting it penetrate further.
I'd like to see the 7.62x25 Tokarev in this test.
I'd still take my chances with the .22LR over the 12ga. I haven't figured all this out ( way beyond me).
C 2/75, 1st Plt, Wpns Sqd 76-79
RS 3-78
Mattoon's Goons
A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve --
is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including his life.'
RS 3-78
Mattoon's Goons
A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve --
is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including his life.'
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The medium that you shoot into has a great bearing on the penetration of various projectiles. When I used to teach LE Firearms classes, I'd have students shoot various caliber rounds into a car door and then into a ballistic vest (W/O plates).
The .22 and the 12 GA. Slug were almost always the winners for penetrating the door and the vest.
After the bombing of the Marine Barracks in Beirut, there was a lot of critisism of the Marine guards not having ammo in their M-16s. I was asked by a local TV station about my opinion, so I had them come to the range and I fired 20 rounds of .223 military ball ammo at a car door and only had 2 rounds penetrate.
RLTW,
Mike
The .22 and the 12 GA. Slug were almost always the winners for penetrating the door and the vest.
After the bombing of the Marine Barracks in Beirut, there was a lot of critisism of the Marine guards not having ammo in their M-16s. I was asked by a local TV station about my opinion, so I had them come to the range and I fired 20 rounds of .223 military ball ammo at a car door and only had 2 rounds penetrate.
RLTW,
Mike