So I was around the wrong people about 6 months back who were smoking weed. Yeah, it was stupid but I didnt know the fuckers had it till the guy pulled a J out and started smokin on it. I told them I didnt smoke and I dont want none of it because i planned on doin better in life. Well of course a cop shows up, busts the guys then cites me to court for secondhand smoke, public intox- marijuana. I told him I didnt even smoke anything but he still gave it to me. I was 17 at the time, I was not arrested and I never pleaded guilty because I damn well wasnt. I planned on fighting it but lucked out. I went to the arraignment date and the judge didnt have jurisdiction on jeuveniles so I came back on a later date. I didnt have a hearing or anything, the judge found out I was joining the Army and he was old school Army also so luckily he dismissed the case with prejudice, meaning it could not be reopened by the plaintiff basically and that was a final decision. So i was not arrested, was not charged, and had absolutely no adverse dispostion. Long story short, I lucked the fuck out. I informed the recruiter and I was not disqualified because it wasnt a conviction. However, when I go down to meps this next time to ship and get to reception, he told me not to mention it. But on the SF-86, (I have a couple previous questions about this form) he told me to mention it.....
To me that sounds shady as hell, especially because I would be basically lying down there at reception by not bringing it up as he tells me too. Plus would they not say hey, you said this on your SF-86 but different on your enlistment papers, whats up with that? hes giving me the whole, you want to ship dont you? BS, telling me I wont ship if i tell them, also saying I better hope that I do ship because his station commander will get a hold of him, and "shit roles downhill", then there was "if you do start saying anythin that disqualifies you, i have no idea about it". Pretty much the spectrum of threats and bullshit. I kinda just laugh because, that stuff dont work with me and really just brings out his true character.
I dont want to get a discharge for lying anywhere, what do you think I should do? If I went to another recruiter would I have to renegotiate my contract? I dont want to lose the Opt. 40, but I sure as hell dont want to risk losing the rest of my career over something he says "will be fine". Im supposed to ship May 31.
Does this sound pretty shady to you guys?
Does this sound pretty shady to you guys?
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Re: Does this sound pretty shady to you guys?
15 Posts in less than 2 days. "You guys"? I'm sure someone will be along shortly to square you away on the HONESTY and INTEGRITY issues you are having.
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Re: Does this sound pretty shady to you guys?
Nope, my mistake, 2 months :D
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Re: Does this sound pretty shady to you guys?
Always do the right thing. If you're uncomfortable with it, then you should be, it's your adventure, don't fuck it up before it starts.
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"A great civilization is not conquered from without
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Re: Does this sound pretty shady to you guys?
Amen!cams wrote:Always do the right thing. If you're uncomfortable with it, then you should be, it's your adventure, don't fuck it up before it starts.
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Re: Does this sound pretty shady to you guys?
You need to be able to obtain a 'secret' security clearance. You need to be truthful, the event as you describe it is almost certain not to be a problem, but a lie about it will prove that you cannot be trusted, that you will put your personal self-interest ahead of the Regiment and the mission.
Now do twenty-five elevated pushups for that 'you guys' tag and remember: Your real character is is defined by what you do when no one can catch you.
Now do twenty-five elevated pushups for that 'you guys' tag and remember: Your real character is is defined by what you do when no one can catch you.
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2d Bn U.D. for 75th Ranger Regt Assn
2d Bn(Ranger)75 Inf 1975-'77
RS 9-76
Former mentor to RANGER XCrunner.
"I am well aware that by no means equal repute attends the narrator and the doer of deeds” Sallust ‘The Catiline Conspiracy’
Re: Does this sound pretty shady to you guys?
Hooah Rangers, I apologize for the "you guys" statement. Ill start knockin them out.
Also, I didnt mean in any way for it to sound like I had honesty or integrity issues. I dont want to lie at all, but how should I go about fixing this problem? He wont push through the waiver, of course, if I need one. Should I talk to another recruiter now? or When I get to MEPs/Reception bring it up with them? If its not big deal surely I will just have to change some paperwork and wont get discharged right?.
He pulled the whole "the army isnt accepting any charge to do with drugs so dont say anything" But its not a conviction, so im pretty sure hes lying as a scare tactic to try and push me through.
Thank you for all the help Rangers, I appreciate the advice.
Also, I didnt mean in any way for it to sound like I had honesty or integrity issues. I dont want to lie at all, but how should I go about fixing this problem? He wont push through the waiver, of course, if I need one. Should I talk to another recruiter now? or When I get to MEPs/Reception bring it up with them? If its not big deal surely I will just have to change some paperwork and wont get discharged right?.
He pulled the whole "the army isnt accepting any charge to do with drugs so dont say anything" But its not a conviction, so im pretty sure hes lying as a scare tactic to try and push me through.
Thank you for all the help Rangers, I appreciate the advice.
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Never quit!
"Get your mind straight... hundreds and thousands of reasons to quit... your goal is the ONE reason not to quit."
Ship date: 20110531
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"Get your mind straight... hundreds and thousands of reasons to quit... your goal is the ONE reason not to quit."
Ship date: 20110531
Re: Does this sound pretty shady to you guys?
Decide I would talk to another recruiter today so I called him up and he sounded like an honest one. He told me that basically my recruiter was just being lazy and the reason hes wanting me to keep my mouth shut is because he doesnt have the paperwork in the system. He probably doesnt want to do the extra work, but doesnt want a dep loss. He told me that I should confront my recruiter and tell him I want this done the right way. He also said that because there was no adverse disposition im good to go, I just need to make sure the paperwork is in the system and when i bring it up at reception they wont do anything. If all else fails and my recruiter wont listen, he said to just go up the chain of command until I get what I want and if I still dont I could cancel my contract and enlist through him and do it the right way, the only thing is I may not get the same contract. Id rather do things the right way. Ill go through my recruiter first and talk to him but if I dont get what I want then ill drop it and go through the honest recruiter. The regiment will always be there, and Ill always strive for it, but I want to get there the right way.
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Never quit!
"Get your mind straight... hundreds and thousands of reasons to quit... your goal is the ONE reason not to quit."
Ship date: 20110531
Never quit!
"Get your mind straight... hundreds and thousands of reasons to quit... your goal is the ONE reason not to quit."
Ship date: 20110531
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Re: Does this sound pretty shady to you guys?
Understood. Good call on your part.
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RS 9-76
Former mentor to RANGER XCrunner.
"I am well aware that by no means equal repute attends the narrator and the doer of deeds” Sallust ‘The Catiline Conspiracy’
2d Bn U.D. for 75th Ranger Regt Assn
2d Bn(Ranger)75 Inf 1975-'77
RS 9-76
Former mentor to RANGER XCrunner.
"I am well aware that by no means equal repute attends the narrator and the doer of deeds” Sallust ‘The Catiline Conspiracy’
Re: Does this sound pretty shady to you guys?
Agreed and the Honest Recruiter actually told you the truth based on your story here. Good luck to you.K.Ingraham wrote:Understood. Good call on your part.
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