Army Mulls Women in Combat Arms Units

[GoardHeart]

This isn't a "we don't want girls in our club" thing like I imagine a lot of ignorant Americans would like to believe. I personally believe that the majority of women, specifically in the Army, would not be able to handle the rigors of working in a branch like the infantry. Just like there are a lot of men that can't handle it. There may be a very small percentage of women that could perform but it's not many. I can't put a label on what it is, but there is a bigger issue here besides a woman's ability to perform. Women have done amazing things overseas, and no one is denying that in today's 360* battlefield there are no longer "front lines". The Soldiers in my support comany, both men and women, saw almost daily combat. I just think that the environment or the culture of the infantry would drastically be changed, and not for the better, if women were allowed in the branch. Inevitably you would run into Soldiers sleeping with other Soldiers in the same platoon, company, squad, etc. The list could go on and on. I'm not against women in the military, but not in the infantry. If the issue is some senior leaders or government officials believe it hampers promotions then that's an Army problem, not an infantry problem.
Thoughts?

[GoldCoast]

How is men and women sleeping together any different than what will happen when the Army finishes integrating homosexuals? There are policies in place where the commander is allowed to say 'no playing kissy face with members of your unit.' I agree with your point that Infantry would change for the worse, but disagree that this is the point to hang an argument on.

[centermass]

2 threads, same subject.

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[GoldCoast]

Besides, who wants a female around cussing like a sailor and spitting Cope?

I know a chick who was some type of heavy equipment driver in an Engineer unit. She swore more than I do (not easy) and dipped on top of it. I thought then and still think now she is one of the hottest all around chicks I have ever met. She still wouldn't make it as Infantry, though.

[K.Ingraham]

The devil's in the details. They aren't talking female 11 series - they mean assigning women at levels lower than brigade, not opening new career fields. A woman can bang the typewriter in the PAC or 4 Shop as well as anyone.
On the other hand, the disruption that the presence of a handful of women creates in an overwhelmingly male environment, such as a combat arms batt HHC, is not worth the excellence that some individuals may bring. A unit has to receive a bunch, or none at all. Voice of experience here.

[Dreadnought]

I guess you guys haven't seen THIS SHIT yet:

http://www.soc.mil/CST/CST.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Prepare to have mind blown.

[Jim]

This issue is an Combatant Commander initiative in OEF. They have been working on the requirements and identifying competent team members. Expect to see a great deal more as time passes.

[rangertough]

I guess you guys haven't seen THIS SHIT yet:

http://www.soc.mil/CST/CST.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Prepare to have mind blown.

All the rage in Stars/Stripes here in theater. At least they have standards established for the program. It's basicly a CA mission. Women have been in CA units forever I think it's a non-issue in the "big Army" arena.

Tough

[rgrokelley]

I guess you guys haven't seen THIS SHIT yet:

http://www.soc.mil/CST/CST.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Prepare to have mind blown.

Nothing new. When we did the ACRI mission in Africa we had women deploy with our ODA. There were two. One was a dentist and one was a veterinarian.

And yes, during the four months there they had sex with about a third of the team.

[LJ_602]

The head line one month after letting women in Combat Arms.

As an experiment the U.S. Army allowed 10,000 women to join the infantry. Within the first 2 weeks over 5 thousand were forced out due to pregancy. The remander demanded an MOS change, due largley to the behavior of their male peers.

[colt1rgr]

I have seen quite a few women who could outrun me.... no doubts. Seen one or two who could out shoot me. Hell most of 'em are smarter than me, thats why two of 'em nearly bled me dry. But the bottom line is this,................

I have NEVER seen one that could pick my 230 lbs of dead weight off the ground, throw me over their shoulder, police up my weapon and rucksack and then promptly move out two klicks to a EXFIL PZ at RANGER speed. Soon as I see that, I will be first one onboard. Till then all we will get is same thing cops put up with out on the street, listening to some split tail scream "Stop resisting" while you're getting your ass kicked. And PS. That female cop will get the credit for the arrest and she will be promoted over you. I'm all for them serving and they do a great job! But letting the PC crowd rule the day will get someone's daughter killed and some good operators "smoked!"

[Baseplate]

I guess you guys haven't seen THIS SHIT yet:

http://www.soc.mil/CST/CST.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Prepare to have mind blown.

Nothing new. When we did the ACRI mission in Africa we had women deploy with our ODA. There were two. One was a dentist and one was a veterinarian.

And yes, during the four months there they had sex with about a third of the team.

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