NCO Tutor?

[Rabbit]

While we are taught how to do conduct missions in Cadet-land, and how to use a platoon to attack X objective. There is not as much emphasis on PLT to PSG relationship, therefor I was wondering if I might be able to pick up a PSG or prior PSG as my NCO Tutor.

My mission is get a better understanding of how to run my platoon effectively with my NCO. I wouldn't ask alot from him, expect that every week ((or day if he so chooses)) throw a scenario at me that normally comes up in the day-to-day affairs of a platoon. He would say "Should you zig or zag if x happens" I would give my best response and he would critique me on what I should do or not.

I know this sounds gay, but I really think I would benefit from learning from an NCO as much as I get out of the Officers' here on this board ((which is quite alot.)) I know that if this does work, I am not expected to act like an uppity- LT when I arrive at my new unit, by all means I will still learn as much as possible. I only ask to get a jump on it, and get some tips and pointers as well.

Thank you
Rabbit
PS: I didn't know where to put this. If a mod knows a more appropriate place, could you please move it?

[fatboy]

The best relationship to have with your Plt Daddy is one like this: You're in command, he is in charge.

[CardiacKid]

It isn't gay... I learned 90% of what I know about interaction with my PSG and SLs from a retired 1SG. It's been easy to utilize the knowledge he bestowed on me and spend time refining my relationship rather than trying to figure out how to have one in the first place. The only friction I've seen with his advice so far is that today's Army isn't exactly what it used to be and a lot of the NCOs at the PSG and SL level, while still fantastic at what they do, are just not as seasoned as some of the previous generation.

[fatboy]

That is a generally true statement about the seasoning of the senior leadership Cardiac, however back in the "old" days, how many of those seasoned Psg's and 1sg's had mulitiple yearlong combat deployments like the majority do now? I don't care who you are, serving anywhere from 2-5 years on again, off again in a 2 way live fire exercise makes for a fairly seasoned NCO. Or Officer for that fact.

[rgrokelley]

I always looked upon officers as the tourists of the Army. The NCOs live there. They were there before you arrived, they will be there after you leave. Officers are merely tourists, passing through on their way to their next destination. So, who better to learn about this strange country you have arrived in? Another tourist, or a native?

[Rock Island Ranger]

Ive spent a lot of time on this subject with many a 2LT. Lot of variables come into play. While it would be nice if all PSG's were competant, energetic, and cooperative, ...its not so. But, the advise here is valid in the sitautions they present. Need to hear perspective, PM me and happy to talk. Otherwise, read and heed.

[Rabbit]

I have indeed Ranger ZoneIV, and while I use them as a tool to gain knowledge. I come here as well to gain more insight into how to strengthen the NCO-Officer bond that I hear is taken for granted by some.

Ranger Rock Island Ranger, I will in fact take you up on that....thank you...

[Rock Island Ranger]

While it would be nice if all PSG's were competant, energetic, and cooperative, ...its not so.

Perhaps all the PSGs in the Ranger BNs are first rate. I know I would have an expectation of this. I would think they are the best of the best. Unfortunately, like Rock Island Ranger stated, this may not be the case for the rest of the Army to include line platoons in Armor and Infantry Bns so blindly assuming a PSG is "all knowing" can be a mistake.

The sad thing is, the Army, The NCO and Officer Corp generally set NCO's up for success with a paved road of expectations. Some of the sorriest fucktards I ever encountered were those NCO's who rode the wave of expectation but did not continue to improve themselves, mind, body and spirit over the years. Been there done that is fine but a leader has to be an example everytime he wakes up. Lead by example is one of the no shit best live by's a leader can embrace. If he does not, he is seen as a bloviating blow hard. I fired a bunch of them and it was a pleasure and brought me untold joy. Not the firing of a Senior NCO but being the one who said, "we are not having that good ol boy, sit on your ass and talk shit" type leadership here. From the front or get the fuck out. And an good PL wont sit by and let bad NCO's happen. A good PL...a good CO...they ROCK when they are strong. A good Pl in tandem with a good PSG, good 1SG and good CO, good BC and CSM...fucking AWESOME teams.

[KW Driver]

amen

[Jim]

I know this sounds gay, but I really think I would benefit from learning from an NCO as much as I get out of the Officers' here on this board ((which is quite alot.)) I know that if this does work, I am not expected to act like an uppity- LT when I arrive at my new unit, by all means I will still learn as much as possible. I only ask to get a jump on it, and get some tips and pointers as well.

The sad thing is, the Army, The NCO and Officer Corp generally set NCO's up for success with a paved road of expectations. Some of the sorriest fucktards I ever encountered were those NCO's who rode the wave of expectation but did not continue to improve themselves, mind, body and spirit over the years. Been there done that is fine but a leader has to be an example everytime he wakes up. Lead by example is one of the no shit best live by's a leader can embrace. If he does not, he is seen as a bloviating blow hard. I fired a bunch of them and it was a pleasure and brought me untold joy. Not the firing of a Senior NCO but being the one who said, "we are not having that good ol boy, sit on your ass and talk shit" type leadership here. From the front or get the fuck out. And an good PL wont sit by and let bad NCO's happen. A good PL...a good CO...they ROCK when they are strong. A good Pl in tandem with a good PSG, good 1SG and good CO, good BC and CSM...fucking AWESOME teams.

Looks like you got your tutor. I dont think you could have found a better one.

And to give you an idea of how small this world is; when I commanded my battalion, my sergeant major was the stud who had been Andy's squad leader ten years earlier in 1-75. Stay around long enough and you realize just how small our world is.

[Bravo57]

WOW

[Rabbit]

Roger that Ranger ., it seems there are exceptions to every rule. And for every good NCO, there is a bad one... just like officers.