If PTSD were to be recognized as an injury that is eligible for the Purple Heart then there would need to be documentation that the PTSD is combat related or there was a dinstinct history of combat and experiences related to combat over a long term.
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The treatment for PTSD needs to be readdressed to differentiate between the different avenues that are the root cause of the persons condition. Each case is unique. Each person is unique. Each treatment needs to be unique and shaped by guidelines not directed.
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Carry On
Proposal to award Purple Heart for psychological wounds
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Rock Island Ranger
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Yes, and everyones fingerprint is different too. You have a point to make?Darksaga wrote:If PTSD were to be recognized as an injury that is eligible for the Purple Heart then there would need to be documentation that the PTSD is combat related or there was a dinstinct history of combat and experiences related to combat over a long term.
**On Soap Box**
The treatment for PTSD needs to be readdressed to differentiate between the different avenues that are the root cause of the persons condition. Each case is unique. Each person is unique. Each treatment needs to be unique and shaped by guidelines not directed.
**Off Soap Box**
Carry On
RS Class # 7-76
I'm not the way I am because I was a Ranger - I was a Ranger because of the way I am.
¿Querría usted el primer redondo en la rodilla o la cara?
The road goes on forever and the party never ends.
I'm not the way I am because I was a Ranger - I was a Ranger because of the way I am.
¿Querría usted el primer redondo en la rodilla o la cara?
The road goes on forever and the party never ends.
Sounds like someone needs to get laid....Rock Island Ranger wrote:Yes, and everyones fingerprint is different too. You have a point to make?Darksaga wrote:If PTSD were to be recognized as an injury that is eligible for the Purple Heart then there would need to be documentation that the PTSD is combat related or there was a dinstinct history of combat and experiences related to combat over a long term.
**On Soap Box**
The treatment for PTSD needs to be readdressed to differentiate between the different avenues that are the root cause of the persons condition. Each case is unique. Each person is unique. Each treatment needs to be unique and shaped by guidelines not directed.
**Off Soap Box**
Carry On
Or maybe you need a Pedi?
The point is that PTSD treatment is often seen as a one size fits all treatment.Rock Island Ranger wrote:Yes, and everyones fingerprint is different too. You have a point to make?Darksaga wrote:If PTSD were to be recognized as an injury that is eligible for the Purple Heart then there would need to be documentation that the PTSD is combat related or there was a dinstinct history of combat and experiences related to combat over a long term.
**On Soap Box**
The treatment for PTSD needs to be readdressed to differentiate between the different avenues that are the root cause of the persons condition. Each case is unique. Each person is unique. Each treatment needs to be unique and shaped by guidelines not directed.
**Off Soap Box**
Carry On
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -Henery Louis Mencken (1880-1956)
"I might not be Airborne however, it's whats on my right sleave!"
*1992-1996 USMC CPL
* 12/2005- present USAR Medic PL/ Human Terrain Teams
"I might not be Airborne however, it's whats on my right sleave!"
*1992-1996 USMC CPL
* 12/2005- present USAR Medic PL/ Human Terrain Teams
There are a ton of people who ride this crutch.CPTAUSRET wrote: PTSD can be real, and it can fuck you up. But by the same token there are many who ride this particular crutch.
A ton.
The last thing that I need to see is more sloppy motherfuckers wearing bizarre regalia at the goddamned VA posturing like they were "in the shit back in the 'nam."
Too many times I got into group therapy with those assholes, too many of whom were "Special Forces," only to find out that they were really truck drivers staging out of Monkey Mountain who got in a fucking wreck somewhere.
Under some circumstances, I can see them qualifying for treatment. But for a Purple Heart? No way.
Not when I know people with bayonet wounds.
Think about that.
We have warriors among us who were so close to the bad guys that they got a piece of fucking steel stuck into their chests, and they are still here to tell the tale.
Those guys merit Purple Hearts, and whatever else their deeds support.
I am about up to here with VA thieves.
One of the things that absolutely needs to be done is, those guys who are stealing services and pensions need to be prosecuted. It happens far more than the VA wants to admit.
Any real deal can pick these guys out in a heart beat.
For the award of the Purple Heart, I think that you need to be wounded, physically wounded, in combat against someone who is trying to kill you. Period.
I think that awarding Purple Hearts to guys who cut themselves while they were on a goddamned riverine boat is utter bullshit. Especially when they threw the grenade that hit them.
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Classes 12, 13, and 14-81.
Company A, 2d Battalion (Ranger), 1st Platoon, "Bad 'Muthers," 1980-1984;
SFQC 4-84.
Company B, 2d Battalion, 1st Special Forces Group (Airborne), ODA 151, 1984-1986.
Classes 12, 13, and 14-81.
Company A, 2d Battalion (Ranger), 1st Platoon, "Bad 'Muthers," 1980-1984;
SFQC 4-84.
Company B, 2d Battalion, 1st Special Forces Group (Airborne), ODA 151, 1984-1986.
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245thPsyoper
- US Army Vet (Airborne)
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If you actually have PTSD, do you want to be reminded of it with a metal and cloth merit badge? If approved, this medal will just give the Pentagon and politicians a warm fuzzy feeling that they recognized the injured soldiers, while at the same time make them feel less guilty of cutting VA benefits and treatment programs.
There is an old Psychological Operations motto:
"because physical wounds heal".
PSYOP is such a devastating and effective weapon that it can only be authorized for use by national command authority and is prohibited by law from being used on our own population and troops.
There is an old Psychological Operations motto:
"because physical wounds heal".
PSYOP is such a devastating and effective weapon that it can only be authorized for use by national command authority and is prohibited by law from being used on our own population and troops.
245th PSYOP Co (ABN), Dallas TX
& several CA units; Korea, Bosnia,
yada, yada, yada
"The Almighty tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure your fucked. "
"I told you guys we should have never shot Lt. Niedermeyer"
"Send lawyers, guns, and ,money"
& several CA units; Korea, Bosnia,
yada, yada, yada
"The Almighty tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure your fucked. "
"I told you guys we should have never shot Lt. Niedermeyer"
"Send lawyers, guns, and ,money"
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Silverback
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Re: Easy on the Air Medal....
My JTAC got PTSD from me yelling at him all the time (Good thing he was only on a 2-month tour).Shamrock wrote:Ranger Bill wrote:Would this mean that a physically wounded man who is also treated for PTSD gets two awards of the Purple Heart? And do you get an award for every time you receive treatment? Lke the Air Medal, numerals will have to be used to show the number of awards?
What no love the AF? Easy on the Air Medal's? Blue name tape guys gotta gain rank! O.K..... there gay...Continue !
RC 2-87
3-75 84/85, 95/97
"thnks 4 pratn merku!"
3-75 84/85, 95/97
"thnks 4 pratn merku!"
The organization, Military Order of the Purple Heart, has written to Secretary Gates on the issue. They oppose it.
http://attachments.postoffice.net/tpl/A ... oadID=DBGI
http://attachments.postoffice.net/tpl/A ... oadID=DBGI
Ranger Class 13-71
Advisor, VN 66-68 69-70
42d Vn Ranger Battalion 1969-1970
Trainer, El Salvador 86-87
Advisor, Saudi Arabian National Guard 91, 93-94
75th RRA Life Member #867
Advisor, VN 66-68 69-70
42d Vn Ranger Battalion 1969-1970
Trainer, El Salvador 86-87
Advisor, Saudi Arabian National Guard 91, 93-94
75th RRA Life Member #867
Jim wrote:The organization, Military Order of the Purple Heart, has written to Secretary Gates on the issue. They oppose it.
http://attachments.postoffice.net/tpl/A ... oadID=DBGI
Same group that recognized Senator Clinton as their 'Legislator of the Year' and gave her a 'Purple Heart' plaque
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lostinspace
- Ranger Wife
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Rangers:
I went back and read Ranger Silverback's criteria for awarding the Purple Heart. It's absolutely clear that the intent of the award was to recognize "physical" injuries only.
PTSD is real and I feel compassion for those solders who sacrificed physically and are still suffering the mental scars. However, the standards for the two injuries are just too different to combine them into one award.
I believe that changing the original intent of the Purple Heart would drastically diminish its importance.
- Cheryl
I went back and read Ranger Silverback's criteria for awarding the Purple Heart. It's absolutely clear that the intent of the award was to recognize "physical" injuries only.
PTSD is real and I feel compassion for those solders who sacrificed physically and are still suffering the mental scars. However, the standards for the two injuries are just too different to combine them into one award.
I believe that changing the original intent of the Purple Heart would drastically diminish its importance.
- Cheryl
Ranger Wife - "Lucky me!"