Hello to all of the Rangers, Veterans, and members of the board. Thank you for your service and the inspiration you have provided me. This is an incredible site with a wealth of information and I am grateful that all the Rangers, Veterans, and members of the board have afforded me the opportunity to use it. I have researched many, many issues via the site and have found it the best tool I have.
My highest ambition is to graduate Ranger School (following Airborne School) and earn the Ranger Tab. I would then like to become a paratrooper.
I will be attending MEPS very shorty (in the next few weeks), and I have a few questions regarding the contract that I must seek out for OCS in order to ensure me a chance at Airborne and Ranger Schools. I have found no other source of information that compares to this site and I thank you for allowing me to post my questions here.
I have searched the site and found the necessary information, but would like to be absolutely certain that I follow the correct procedure to ensuring myself an opportunity to graduate Ranger School. I would like to ask the members of the board if someone could tell me if what I have been told by my recruiter is all I need to know about my OCS contract. My recruiter told me that Opt. 40 is only for those going straight enlisted and that at OCS I must request to be branched infantry and request to be stationed at Ft. Bragg. I would then attend Infantry Officer Basic Course. My recruiter has told me that I will go to Airborne School before Ranger School and that Officers go to Ranger School. I want to make sure that I am doing everything correctly. Is everything I have stated here correct?
I understand that the onus is on my performance and I am working extremely hard to prepare to ship in February. My workout regimen has been running 3.5 miles a day since April and doing push-ups and sit-ups to failure daily since July. My physical status is very good and I am working hard to make sure that I give myself the best chance of earning the Ranger Tab and serving my country with honor as the Rangers and Veterans of the board have.
Thank you, Rangers, Veterans, and members of the board for taking the time to help me out with the process of enlistment and thank you for setting such a lofty standard for my ambitions.
-Renaissance Man
OCS and Contract for Ranger School
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RenaissanceMan
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Re: OCS and Contract for Ranger School
Do you realize how stupid that sentence sounds?RenaissanceMan wrote: My highest ambition is to graduate Ranger School (following Airborne School) and earn the Ranger Tab. I would then like to become a paratrooper.
-Renaissance Man
Jesus Christ man.
It's all good.
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Kilted Heathen
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Re: OCS and Contract for Ranger School
How the fuck is it stupid?SkyShark wrote:Do you realize how stupid that sentence sounds?RenaissanceMan wrote: My highest ambition is to graduate Ranger School (following Airborne School) and earn the Ranger Tab. I would then like to become a paratrooper.
-Renaissance Man
Jesus Christ man.
It's actually the most sensible statement we've fucking heard from him.
He's actually charting his career progress.He seems to realise that his path to the 75th lies not only in excelling as a PL and luck of the draw, but also how to make himself marketable by serving viable PL time in an Airborne unit.
RM, the info your recruiter is giving you is basically correct. I would encourage you to look into the 173d as a viable alternative to Bragg, they are developing a shit-hot reputation as a crack unit. It's a good place for an LT with high aspirations to cut his teeth.
You definetley need to try to serve in an Airborne unit but...one target at a time, you must succeed at Ranger School first.
That's one of the advantages of the officer path, you get your shot early.
The disadvantage is if you fail to get tabbed, you'll stick out like a spare prick in a nunnery in ANY Infantry unit.
So far you seem to be tracking.
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"The lapdance is always better when the stripper is crying"
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H Co.121(ABN)(LRS)04-PRESENT
WTC PRC 05-06
OIF 06-07
WTC PRC 07-2010
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"The lapdance is always better when the stripper is crying"
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Grumble and Grunt
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Rangers if I may,
RenaissanceMan, I am going down a path you desire information on.
1. There is no certain bet you will get Infantry. I got Field Artillery intially but got lucky and found someone to trade with. I got very lucky. There were a ton of hard dicks who wanted IN but got FA and couldn't swap. No branch transfers went through. They just had to draw fire and move on to Ft. Sill. (a swap is a 1 for 1 trade with a DA 4187, a transfer is when you put in a DA form 4187 and try to leave your assigned branch for your preferred one)
2. According to IOBC and the IN branch all LTs go to ABN and RS. Odds are in your favor but strange stuff does happen. Make sure you are persistent. A bunch of dudes in the IOBC class before me are being sent to 4th ID without wings or a Tab as they are needed. They will probably get a shot later but thier new BC needs them now.
3. The new standard for 2nd LTs is RS then ABN. 2-11 (IOBC) does not want to risk injuries and hurt the LTs on thier pipeline. You will have 9.5 months after starting IOBC before you have to pop smoke and leave Benning. I have a tabbed LT in my chalk who just finished RS, next he is going on to his first duty assignment. He was a leg Ranger. I have worked ABN school early so I can jump in RS and strengthen my case for going to Bragg.
4. You will be assigned a duty assignment based on needs of the Army. That could mean the 10th Mountain at Ft. Polk. OCS gets the bottom of the barrel for duty assignments. That doesn't mean you won't get the 101st or 82nd. The 173rd is a shot in the dark as it is only a brigade and many of those slots go to West Pointers who get first pick. Your unit will depend on what unit needs LTs at the time you are projected to finish your pipeline. Once again be persistent and make some friends, all merits being equal knowing someone will help you net that dream assignment. It isn't pretty or fair but it is reality.
This is probably the most recent information out there. Feel free to PM me with any private questions or concerns, I will be as timely as possible in getting back to you as I feel your pain in making this heady decision. Good luck in your endeavour.
RenaissanceMan, I am going down a path you desire information on.
1. There is no certain bet you will get Infantry. I got Field Artillery intially but got lucky and found someone to trade with. I got very lucky. There were a ton of hard dicks who wanted IN but got FA and couldn't swap. No branch transfers went through. They just had to draw fire and move on to Ft. Sill. (a swap is a 1 for 1 trade with a DA 4187, a transfer is when you put in a DA form 4187 and try to leave your assigned branch for your preferred one)
2. According to IOBC and the IN branch all LTs go to ABN and RS. Odds are in your favor but strange stuff does happen. Make sure you are persistent. A bunch of dudes in the IOBC class before me are being sent to 4th ID without wings or a Tab as they are needed. They will probably get a shot later but thier new BC needs them now.
3. The new standard for 2nd LTs is RS then ABN. 2-11 (IOBC) does not want to risk injuries and hurt the LTs on thier pipeline. You will have 9.5 months after starting IOBC before you have to pop smoke and leave Benning. I have a tabbed LT in my chalk who just finished RS, next he is going on to his first duty assignment. He was a leg Ranger. I have worked ABN school early so I can jump in RS and strengthen my case for going to Bragg.
4. You will be assigned a duty assignment based on needs of the Army. That could mean the 10th Mountain at Ft. Polk. OCS gets the bottom of the barrel for duty assignments. That doesn't mean you won't get the 101st or 82nd. The 173rd is a shot in the dark as it is only a brigade and many of those slots go to West Pointers who get first pick. Your unit will depend on what unit needs LTs at the time you are projected to finish your pipeline. Once again be persistent and make some friends, all merits being equal knowing someone will help you net that dream assignment. It isn't pretty or fair but it is reality.
This is probably the most recent information out there. Feel free to PM me with any private questions or concerns, I will be as timely as possible in getting back to you as I feel your pain in making this heady decision. Good luck in your endeavour.
RS Class 06-06
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Grumble and Grunt
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Dude, you want the best shot at being a paratrooper and possibly serve in the 75th, then drop the entire enlist for OCS thing! Enlist as an 11B with the option to go Airborne and Ranger (if that is what they call Option 40 ok). Do your time on the line as an enlisted man, heck you may find out that this is where you truely want to be! Oh what gives me the impetus to say all of this...That was the route I took before leaving the service as a Major. :D Have a nice day!
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Oopps almost forgot Class 4-84
"Always with the negative waves Moriarity!"
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Oopps almost forgot Class 4-84
"Always with the negative waves Moriarity!"
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RenaissanceMan
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Ranger Kilted Heathen, Ranger Gordo173, and Lt. Grumble and Grunt thank you very much for your assistance. I will continue with my present training regimen, continue to research the site, and attend MEPS with the information that the Rangers, Veterans, and members of the board have given me. Thank you for your advice and your service.
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RenaissanceMan
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Rangers, Veterans and members of the board:
After several months of careful, thorough, and strenuous consideration, I have concluded that the best route for the accomplishment of my ambitions and goals is the enlisted 11x Option 40 contract instead of the OCS route for my first enlistment. I have come to this decision by weighing my goals and prioritizing what I would like to accomplish as a U.S. Army serviceman. More than anything, I want the opportunity to prove myself worthy of serving as a Ranger. Therefore, I have decided to put all my efforts into graduating RIP and serving with honor in Ranger Regiment. Specifically, Ranger Gordo173's advice on serving first as an enlisted member and accomplishing my goal of serving in the 75th (which I had prioritized above all other goals) before attending OCS (upon re-enlistment) was very important in my decision-making process. After nearly a year of careful researching of what it takes to accomplish my goals, I have concluded that the skills and qualities so often attributed to the best of leaders and officers are best acquired by serving first as an enlisted man. My goal of becoming an Officer is too important to me to pursue before I have acquired the necessary experience in what makes a great U.S. Army Officer. I will accomplish both my goal of serving in the 75th Ranger Regiment and obtain the experience I have concluded is necessary to become a great U.S. Army Officer by going the 11x Option 40 route.
I have scheduled a meeting with a new recruiter (my previous one dealt strictly with the OCS route) and will attend MEPS within the next week to ten days. I hope to ship and report by April 1.
Thank you again to Ranger Kilted Heathen, Ranger Gordo173, Lt. Grumble and Grunt, and SFC Hit_it for your time, effort, and assistance in my decision-making process. I am indebted to the Rangers and Veterans of this board who have maintained the best resource available for researching what it takes to become a U.S. Army Ranger. I will continue to go full-on in my physical and mental preparation for the next step in pursuit of accomplishing my goals and eventually serving with honor as a Ranger.
After several months of careful, thorough, and strenuous consideration, I have concluded that the best route for the accomplishment of my ambitions and goals is the enlisted 11x Option 40 contract instead of the OCS route for my first enlistment. I have come to this decision by weighing my goals and prioritizing what I would like to accomplish as a U.S. Army serviceman. More than anything, I want the opportunity to prove myself worthy of serving as a Ranger. Therefore, I have decided to put all my efforts into graduating RIP and serving with honor in Ranger Regiment. Specifically, Ranger Gordo173's advice on serving first as an enlisted member and accomplishing my goal of serving in the 75th (which I had prioritized above all other goals) before attending OCS (upon re-enlistment) was very important in my decision-making process. After nearly a year of careful researching of what it takes to accomplish my goals, I have concluded that the skills and qualities so often attributed to the best of leaders and officers are best acquired by serving first as an enlisted man. My goal of becoming an Officer is too important to me to pursue before I have acquired the necessary experience in what makes a great U.S. Army Officer. I will accomplish both my goal of serving in the 75th Ranger Regiment and obtain the experience I have concluded is necessary to become a great U.S. Army Officer by going the 11x Option 40 route.
I have scheduled a meeting with a new recruiter (my previous one dealt strictly with the OCS route) and will attend MEPS within the next week to ten days. I hope to ship and report by April 1.
Thank you again to Ranger Kilted Heathen, Ranger Gordo173, Lt. Grumble and Grunt, and SFC Hit_it for your time, effort, and assistance in my decision-making process. I am indebted to the Rangers and Veterans of this board who have maintained the best resource available for researching what it takes to become a U.S. Army Ranger. I will continue to go full-on in my physical and mental preparation for the next step in pursuit of accomplishing my goals and eventually serving with honor as a Ranger.
46 and 2 are just ahead of me.
Good deal. Now as one erstwhile member of this board will surely tell you
SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Keep your mouth zipped, do what you're told, learn everything (because despite your education, you dont know JACK SHIT) and maybe you will turn out to be a decent soldier, Paratrooper, RANGER and officer.
Nuf said
Out!
SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Keep your mouth zipped, do what you're told, learn everything (because despite your education, you dont know JACK SHIT) and maybe you will turn out to be a decent soldier, Paratrooper, RANGER and officer.
Nuf said
Out!
Wpns/C/2-75(INF)(RGR)(ABN)
1/1/C/2-75(INF)(RGR)(ABN)
C,HHC,D/3-6(INF)(Mech)
HHC/2-504 PIR
A/1-504 PIR
HHC/1-82(ABN)
Oopps almost forgot Class 4-84
"Always with the negative waves Moriarity!"
1/1/C/2-75(INF)(RGR)(ABN)
C,HHC,D/3-6(INF)(Mech)
HHC/2-504 PIR
A/1-504 PIR
HHC/1-82(ABN)
Oopps almost forgot Class 4-84
"Always with the negative waves Moriarity!"
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STFU! Read, read and PT your ass off.
Good luck and personally I'm glad you took the enlisted route. Be a grunt first. Crawl, walk then run.
Good luck and personally I'm glad you took the enlisted route. Be a grunt first. Crawl, walk then run.
RS Class 5-82
French Commando 11-83
LRSLC Class 5-87
U.S. Army 1980-1984 and 1987-1990
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“Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity.”
George S. Patton
French Commando 11-83
LRSLC Class 5-87
U.S. Army 1980-1984 and 1987-1990
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“Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity.”
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Kilted Heathen
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I've been running across a lot of Opt-40s straight out of OSUT that have just no fucking clue what they're in for.
None.
Some lucky Aiborne hold-over pricks have been our OPFOR detail for FTX, in order to add an extra element of realism I allow them to sit in on the AARs and yesterday a couple got to walk behind a patrol for a couple of hours and see what real fucking training looks like.
The silly little fucks were goggle eyed, especially after I told one of them I was going to stick his fucking cell-phone up his fucking ass for him.
They got a first hand look at a patrol running from indirect fire and carrying wounded screaming cunts ( yeah, I make 'em scream....I want them to know what they're fucking mistakes sound like) over half the fucking state of Georgia.
The day before my esteemed colleague RRD Tm3 had his specially selected over-achievers write a letter of condolence to the mother of a stud they left behind after a react to contact/indirect fire drill.
A teary eyed correspondence it was too...apologising for the demise of her only son due to their fucking incompetence and heartfelt sorrow at thought of her never being able to see her grand-children that will never have a chance at life due, once again Ma'am, to their over-all fucking stupidity and incompetence.
That was fucking classic!
They also got to listen to a rousing rendition of "Napalm Sticks To Little Babies" offered by the class upon return from FTX.
Just a wee something to lighten the mood and refocus the people-pleasing professionals that are now about to embark on the adventure of their lives.
I overheard a couple of them saying "These fuckers don't belong in the Army...they belong in fucking jail!"
It just gives you such a warm and fuzzy....making the right impression on these young privates.
None.
Some lucky Aiborne hold-over pricks have been our OPFOR detail for FTX, in order to add an extra element of realism I allow them to sit in on the AARs and yesterday a couple got to walk behind a patrol for a couple of hours and see what real fucking training looks like.
The silly little fucks were goggle eyed, especially after I told one of them I was going to stick his fucking cell-phone up his fucking ass for him.
They got a first hand look at a patrol running from indirect fire and carrying wounded screaming cunts ( yeah, I make 'em scream....I want them to know what they're fucking mistakes sound like) over half the fucking state of Georgia.
The day before my esteemed colleague RRD Tm3 had his specially selected over-achievers write a letter of condolence to the mother of a stud they left behind after a react to contact/indirect fire drill.
A teary eyed correspondence it was too...apologising for the demise of her only son due to their fucking incompetence and heartfelt sorrow at thought of her never being able to see her grand-children that will never have a chance at life due, once again Ma'am, to their over-all fucking stupidity and incompetence.
That was fucking classic!
They also got to listen to a rousing rendition of "Napalm Sticks To Little Babies" offered by the class upon return from FTX.
Just a wee something to lighten the mood and refocus the people-pleasing professionals that are now about to embark on the adventure of their lives.
I overheard a couple of them saying "These fuckers don't belong in the Army...they belong in fucking jail!"
It just gives you such a warm and fuzzy....making the right impression on these young privates.
312th LRS 1st CAV 89-91
RS 12-91
RI 4RTB 92-94
H Co.121(ABN)(LRS)04-PRESENT
WTC PRC 05-06
OIF 06-07
WTC PRC 07-2010
TF Wolf MUTC 2010-
"The lapdance is always better when the stripper is crying"
The trouble with Scotland is it's full of Scots!
RS 12-91
RI 4RTB 92-94
H Co.121(ABN)(LRS)04-PRESENT
WTC PRC 05-06
OIF 06-07
WTC PRC 07-2010
TF Wolf MUTC 2010-
"The lapdance is always better when the stripper is crying"
The trouble with Scotland is it's full of Scots!
rgrpuck wrote:Maintaining standards is what its all about KH.
Ditto! KH keep up the good work.
RM,
Please excuse my hijacking the thread. I almost forgot to mention that in about seven months of lurking and reading, you have matured quite a bit. Tell ya what I want you to do: reread your posts and tell me what turned you around and made you rethink your initial decision.
Ranger Class 13-71
Advisor, VN 66-68 69-70
42d Vn Ranger Battalion 1969-1970
Trainer, El Salvador 86-87
Advisor, Saudi Arabian National Guard 91, 93-94
75th RRA Life Member #867
Advisor, VN 66-68 69-70
42d Vn Ranger Battalion 1969-1970
Trainer, El Salvador 86-87
Advisor, Saudi Arabian National Guard 91, 93-94
75th RRA Life Member #867
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RenaissanceMan
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Ranger Advisor Jim:Jim wrote:rgrpuck wrote:Maintaining standards is what its all about KH.
Ditto! KH keep up the good work.
RM,
Please excuse my hijacking the thread. I almost forgot to mention that in about seven months of lurking and reading, you have matured quite a bit. Tell ya what I want you to do: reread your posts and tell me what turned you around and made you rethink your initial decision.
I have re-read my posts. In response to your task, I say with no sense of pride that I was too anxious to earn the title of 'Ranger' and not fully aware of what it takes to earn the honor of being a 'Ranger' and live the Ranger Creed. I thought I knew all it took to undertake the task of becoming a 'Ranger' already. I spoke when I should have been listening and I was too eager to get the actual title that I ran right over the most important part of the process, which is the journey itself. I had placed arrogance and ignorance where my humility and willingness to change should have been. Early on, Ranger Kilted Heathen pointed out to me that one must grow to learn. I came to the site lacking humility and believing that I had what it took already the title of 'Ranger' and did not realize that I knew absolutely nothing about the world I was about to step into. U.S. Army Rangers are regarded around the world as the most elite fighting men walking- I was too excited to become one of the best and not conscious of how the process changes one as a person and requires dedication. Through the help of the Rangers on the site, I have realized that the process of evolving into an entirely different and advanced type of man is more important than the title earned at the completion of the process and that I have earned nothing yet in life. I have realized that living the Ranger Creed is the most trying (and fulfilling) endeavor one can undertake. I know now that the pride that one carries with him as a 'Ranger' is earned with humility, hard work, respect, and open-mindedness. I now realize that knowing enough is something one will never accomplish. and that earning the title and living the Ranger Creed are incredibly difficult. I am now more focused on testing my physical and mental limits and becoming a man in the truest sense of the word. I thought I knew everything already. I know nothing and am eager to learn now.
In intially choosing to undertake Officer training, I believed that I had already earned the right to lead men. After researching the site's resources, I realized that I thought I was entitled simply because I had a piece of paper that said I was 'learned'. I am embarassed that I acted this way and I apologize for acting out in the Rangers' house. Sitting in a classroom and living the life are two entirely different things and I am eager to rid myself of my previous way of thinking. I had not experienced one ounce of battle, yet I thought I had earned the right to lead men into it. I am ashamed that I thought this way. With help from the Rangers and veterans of the board, I have concluded that I must walk as a soldier before I earn the right to lead soldiers. I have realized that I must walk the walk and shut my mouth while I do it. I am eager to get started on the journey and to change to reach my potential. I am shutting up and paying attention.
46 and 2 are just ahead of me.