The Scroll and its Lineage.

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The Scroll and its Lineage.

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I want to make sure I don't step on anybody's toes, but I want to reassure myself by not being a dirt bag and displaying the scroll and the tab to look like a poser. I have a Operator Hat with my said LRS unit displayed in the scroll and I have a t-shirt with the said unit with the scroll as well with the tab over it. I just want to correct myself before I further display my affiliation. I never went to RSLC nor Ranger School, but this tradition and lineage has been spoken to me in my former unit and also "Scrolled" Rangers in my former unit. Also to add, I am on a Facebook page for former LRS and LRRP guys and I have asked them as well and they responded with the lineage being related. I just want affirmation from a more reliable source here who profess in the Ranger Creed, and tradition to give his point of view on what I should do with these items because I would like to display my affiliation accordingly. I wouldn't want a former Vietnam-Era Ranger giving me the dirty look for wearing it, nor do I want to disrespect any Rangers past or present.
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Is this what you are talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/201st_Batt ... ce_Brigade
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Yes Ranger Jim,

This is the current formation. My unit was organized as C Troop 38th CAV Regiment. I'm not too sure of it's formation before. All I know when I was still in C/38 it was a Corp Asset, we recite the Ranger's Creed every Monday morning and live up to to the Creed's standards and our unit PT shirts was also scrolled with our unit name. I just assume that the lineage is carried from LRRP to LRS.

I looked at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/38th_Cavalry_Regiment and noticed the lineage that it stems from or points towards Cavalry but I do notice that it was 38th Reconnaissance Battalion before it was redesignated in 24 July 2008. I can't find any source on 38th Recon Battalion.
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...and?
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Ranger Jim,

I got this from one of your post: http://www.special-ops.org/lrs-long-ran ... nce-units/

from what I read I think I am entitled to display my unit affiliation. Since it comes from LRRP to LRS, but if anyone would ask me if I was a Ranger, I would tell them that I was with an affiliated unit.
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Did you deploy to combat and earn your CIB?
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Ranger Jim,

I deployed twice to Iraq. The first one I got hit by an IED. I never pursued getting a Combat Action Badge because of my PAC Clerk being technical about getting one, but my medical sure does show my history. I don't even know if I'd count being hit by an IED as being in combat.
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wombat84 wrote:Ranger Jim,

I got this from one of your post: http://www.special-ops.org/lrs-long-ran ... nce-units/

from what I read I think I am entitled to display my unit affiliation. Since it comes from LRRP to LRS, but if anyone would ask me if I was a Ranger, I would tell them that I was with an affiliated unit.
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Yes Ranger Jim,

It's in the Reconnaissance forum under the "LRS Deactivation" topic.
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Getting hit by an IED damn sure IS combat stud.

As far as the affiliation stuff, I'll let the esteemed members that have served in Regiment answer that....I'm just a school guy.

Personally, I won't wear anything like that. I was also raised up to know/accept the difference between the school and the Scroll.

Having said that, at least in the TXARNG, the LRS units wore a Scroll (Vietnam style) and black beret up until the late 80's/early 90's but that was before my time, and I never did anything to earn that "right" so I can't see wearing it in that example either.
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I, personally, am not a fan of it. But, I no longer argue with LRS guys about it.

But, if you look at this link: http://www.history.army.mil/html/forces ... 0075ra.htm
You will notice your unit is not mentioned. Also, although the Army doesn't recognize them as part of our lineage, we recognize the lettered RVN LRRP Ranger Companies as part of it. You'll notice that your unit doesn't fall under one of them either. It is true that the unit that your current unit came from, F/51st LRS, had members go to the new Ranger companies, but I would hardly call that a direct correlation to your current unit.

You have a current unit patch, why not wear that and be proud of it? LRS is a bad ass job, no sense in trying to be cool by association. The Ranger Regiment technically shares lineage with SF, but we don't go around rocking their stuff - we got our own stuff we are proud of. Again, I don't care enough to argue it to great length - it is what it is. But above is basically the justification for my opinion.
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Thank You Ranger Goon175, and Ranger Richard Cranium

You guys hit it on the spot. I didn't want to display anything unless it was substantiated as such. I just wanted some clarity before I walk around displaying the scroll and having to explain myself to a Ranger Veteran why I'm wearing their scroll. I take it seriously that the ceremonial donning of the Tan beret and being patched with the scroll is serious and am humbled by those who went through RIP/RASP. Thanks for the input. I will not display the scroll. I totally understand the justification from you guys.
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