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Re: To our Nam Rangers....

PostAuthor: Slowpoke » February 17th, 2010, 5:42 pm

RANGER513 wrote:'Nam Rangers are HERO's in my book.

Always an true honor to meet one you gentlemen who truely lead the way and set the standard for my generation.

I hope that someday I get the oportunity and honor to meet a few of you on here in person.



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Re: To our Nam Rangers....

PostAuthor: Earthpig » February 17th, 2010, 6:02 pm

I feel like a complete idiot. I drank so much tonight that I can't remember the guy's name...

First time I got to tour the new Infantry Museum at Benning, I was lucky enough to walk through the "Vietnam Room" with Slowpoke. While we made our way down the dark, jungle trail, he narrated for me. Told me a story about his squad leader....damned if I can recall his name right now....shaved head, short, lean, steely-eyed...from Guam or somewhere.

He said this guy carried a pair of black pajamas in his ruck. Whenever they came upon a heavily traveled trail, he'd jump off the trail, change into his jammies, and would walk right up to the next group of VC coming down the trail. He'd say something to them in vietnamese, then kill them all.

When we walked out the exit door of the Vietnam Room, there was a photo of the guy on the wall, with a story just like Larry had told, printed below it.

Later that evening, back at the Holiday Inn, I took a piss break in the lobby restroom. While I was releasing the Coors Lite from my body, a short, bald, steel-eyed, hard sumbitch walked up to the urinal next to me. I asked him, "Are you so-and-so?" Sure enough, it was Larry's squad leader. Pretty damned cool....(as if Larry wasn't a big enough honor to meet).

Larry, sorry my memory is fucked up tonight.

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Re: To our Nam Rangers....

PostAuthor: Slowpoke » February 17th, 2010, 6:25 pm

You think your memory is fucked up now, just waite 'till you're trying to remember shit from 40 years ago!

The "steely-eyed" gentlemans name is Pat Tadina, AKA Tad. He's Hawiian, and still somebody you don' want to fuck with. He wasn't my Team Leader, but we knew each other pretty well.
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Re: To our Nam Rangers....

PostAuthor: Earthpig » February 17th, 2010, 6:30 pm

Slowpoke wrote:You think your memory is fucked up now, just waite 'till you're trying to remember shit from 40 years ago!

The "steely-eyed" gentlemans name is Pat Tadina, AKA Tad. He's Hawiian, and still somebody you don' want to fuck with. He wasn't my Team Leader, but we knew each other pretty well.

Well, shit. I fucked that story up sixteen ways. Yep. That's the dude. And you're right, he still has the look. Thanks for brushing the rust off my brain.

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Re: To our Nam Rangers....

PostAuthor: Jim » February 17th, 2010, 7:10 pm

Slowpoke wrote:The "steely-eyed" gentlemans name is Pat Tadina, AKA Tad. He's Hawiian, and still somebody you don' want to fuck with. He wasn't my Team Leader, but we knew each other pretty well.


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Re: To our Nam Rangers....

PostAuthor: hobbit » February 17th, 2010, 7:19 pm

awww shucks, sniff...
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Re: To our Nam Rangers....

PostAuthor: RANGER513 » February 17th, 2010, 9:01 pm

Slowpoke wrote:
RANGER513 wrote:'Nam Rangers are HERO's in my book.

Always an true honor to meet one you gentlemen who truely lead the way and set the standard for my generation.

I hope that someday I get the oportunity and honor to meet a few of you on here in person.



With my driving record you probably have!




Well, I keep looking for a guy like your picture on your Avatar, but I can't seem to find him yet out on I-5 !!!!!!!! :shock:

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: To our Nam Rangers....

PostAuthor: Nomad » February 18th, 2010, 2:53 am

RANGER513 wrote:
Slowpoke wrote:
RANGER513 wrote:'Nam Rangers are HERO's in my book.

Always an true honor to meet one you gentlemen who truely lead the way and set the standard for my generation.

I hope that someday I get the oportunity and honor to meet a few of you on here in person.



With my driving record you probably have!




Well, I keep looking for a guy like your picture on your Avatar, but I can't seem to find him yet out on I-5 !!!!!!!! :shock:

:lol: :lol: :lol:


Swing by Tillacum again. You'll find someone who'll resemble that avatar Slowpoke has going on! :D

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Re: To our Nam Rangers....

PostAuthor: LRP1 » February 20th, 2010, 10:41 pm

We thank you .but we had no clue what we were doinfg would go so far and have such an impact o younger Rangers motovaton.

They are spurb and have it togrther, Ant type of equipment they need , they grt, We did accomplish much wuth kittle, But I am damn proud of them for what they have done.

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Re: To our Nam Rangers....

PostAuthor: panthersix » February 21st, 2010, 5:23 am

Hells Bells ladies, I got to do a SHITLOAD of push ups for Viet Nam Vets....All our Platoon Sgts were Vets along with the Bn Medic, Hector the Injector, not to mention the unmentionables that worked outta Bragg...and our Company Commander.
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Re: To our Nam Rangers....

PostAuthor: ZoneIV » February 21st, 2010, 1:15 pm

The first Vietnam Era NCO I encountered was CSM Julius Gates. He was a TAC NCO at the college I went to. Prior to that, he was CSM at 1/75th. He later on become SMA. Thinking about it now, he was the only Vietnam era "Ranger" I think I ever encountered until coming here. In my young mind, he was the epitomy of an NCO that I would compare others to.

As a young 2LT in the early 80s, I was in an arena (Armor) that I simply did not work with or was exposed to Vietnam era "Rangers". That said, I did work with NCOs who served in Vietnam. When I first went into the Army, the senior NCOs around me all had Vietnam Combat patches. I first had a non-Vietnam Vet NCO (SSG) and then later a Vietnam Vet NCO as Platoon SGTs. I could certainly tell a difference. This difference though would be hard for me to articulate.

As the years went by I felt that this type of NCO (Vietnam Vet) slowly disappeared. We eventually had senior NCOs that were never tested in combat and I thought this was to the Army's detriment. You no longer had role models for younger NCOs and soldiers. You no longer had that grizzled old 1SG (even though he wasn't actually that "old"). Right or wrong, I personally felt that there was a decline in the NCO Corps by late 80s. No doubt the same can be said about the Officer Corps as well. Well since 9/11 you now have a whole new set of combat tested NCOs. I would think that the weak have been quickly weeded out and the strong have only become stronger because of current events. There is once again true role models for the younger NCO and soldier.

I was a guy who served when really nothing of note went on and quite frankly, I feel inferior to all you tested Rangers. This may sound silly but I actually feel cheated that I never had the opportunity to be "tested". You train and train and train and you wonder...."how will I do in combat?" or "will I measure up?". I know that I always wondered this but never got an answer.

As one of those types, I am not just in awe of Nam Rangers but sincerely in awe of all the different era Rangers reading accounts of different conflicts whether it was the heroics of the Pointe du Hoc Rangers or Task Force Ranger. I am in no less awe of the stories I have read on here about current Rangers and things they have done. You know what though. All these stories have the same reoccuring theme. There are stories of young men who "never quit" by driving on to the objective as well as stories of Rangers placing more importance on the lives of others then they do on their own.

I think it is only natural to think, regardless how much you may have personally done, that those who came before and you hold out as the epitomy of what you strive to be, did it better and had it harder then you regardless if the facts support this or not. You tend to minimize what you have done when compared to those you hold in such esteem.

Think about it. Unlike your typical POS who inflates their service, how many times have you heard a Ranger remark "I haven't done shit compared to ####" and you know he has gone through a lot of shit. I will contend that this type of remark in the Ranger community is not said out of false modesty but out of a perception that other Rangers have done it better and had it tougher whether it was training or combat. I have seen older Rangers on this site that are in awe of today's Ranger. Perhaps this is why there is such a Brotherhood of Rangers. All eras have great respect for each other.

While I do realize that I am just a red-headed bastard step child when it comes to this Brotherhood that is often spoken about on this site since I am only Tabbed, I just wanted to say I respect the hell out of all of you past and present Rangers.
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Re: To our Nam Rangers....

PostAuthor: Ranger Bill » February 22nd, 2010, 8:48 am

ZoneIV wrote:The first Vietnam Era NCO I encountered was CSM Julius Gates. He was a TAC NCO at the college I went to. Prior to that, he was CSM at 1/75th. He later on become SMA...


When I was a platoon leader in K-75 SMA Gates was my platoon sergeant.
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Re: To our Nam Rangers....

PostAuthor: ZoneIV » February 22nd, 2010, 10:27 am

Ranger Bill wrote:When I was a platoon leader in K-75 SMA Gates was my platoon sergeant.


Bill, back then the respect cadets had for the various Captains and Majors who were TAC Officers (and there were a slew of them) could be described as dubious at best. On the other hand, just saying the cadets had respect for CSM (later SMA) Gates would be an understatement. We were in awe of him.
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Re: To our Nam Rangers....

PostAuthor: hobbit » February 22nd, 2010, 12:01 pm

ZoneIV wrote: You no longer had that grizzled old 1SG (even though he wasn't actually that "old").


Our 2nd platoon sergeant in L Company Ranger was a very decent guy: SFC Howard Dobbs. He went the extra mile in taking care of his boys. That didn't save him from being the butt of every geriatric ribbing and "old guy" joke we young devils could dream up though. We were saddened at the fact our army and nation were drumming into service refugees from old folk’s homes and sending them into combat units. His presence escalated from joke to serious concern however, when it came our team's turn to take Sergeant Dobbs out on a mission. Platoon sergeants had to pull 3 missions a year as part of their obligation to the Ranger Company. Our team leader, Sergeant David Hazelton, actually got into a brief fisticuff with Dobbs the night before the mission, so reticent was Hazelton to take someone out who was that "old" and inexperienced. Dobbs redeemed himself nobly however. He was as fine a soldier out on the Laotian Salient as he was in the rear. The "old" guy "Dobbsie", at the ancient age of 32, had done himself proud. :)

That said, I turned 60 last month. So when is the Ranger Quartermaster going to start carrying Ranger walkers and Ranger oxygen bottles? :twisted:
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Re: To our Nam Rangers....

PostAuthor: fusion94 » February 22nd, 2010, 1:50 pm

. wrote:Awesome insight into how things were back then. I'm 33 and would love to compete in any event , including combat patrols, against the 19-21yr olds in today's Army. I would fucking destroy them.

Agreed, with some exceptions most of today's youth have been so mollycoddled the majority of them lack intestinal fortitude, self-discipline and the courage to stand up for themselves. The thought of pain or discomfort is foreign to them and makes them very uncomfortable.

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I'm 40 now and while I'm nowhere in the shape I was in when I served there's no doubt in my mind that I can still outperform today's youth due to strength of mind. I will not quit and will run their asses into the ground until the puke just to laugh at their asses.
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