Heart rate.

[Chiron]

My heart rate this morning at 11:00 after driving 30 minutes to the hospital was 60.

My BP was 130/76 and I'm 47 years old.

Traditionally that's what I'm like. Is that normal?

[bulldogg]

Your heart rate sounds normal but your blood pressure is on the high side of normal. 130/85 is the top end for normal BP. Were you seated or reclined when they measured it, it can make difference.

[Chiron]

Your heart rate sounds normal but your blood pressure is on the high side of normal. 130/85 is the top end for normal BP. Were you seated or reclined when they measured it, it can make difference.

Seated and my bad it was 120/85.

[Chiron]

The reason I asked was that I'm trying to go on a trial for a medication for my MS and they told me today that my heart rate may be too low.

Novartis will have the last word.

[bulldogg]

Basal metabolic rate 70 kcal/hour
Breathing rate 15 /min
Blood pressure 120/80 mmHg
Blood volume 5.2 l
Carbon dioxide production 208 ml/min
Cardiac output 5 l/min
Core temperature 37.0 deg C
Dead space 0.15 l
Fat mass 10 kg
Heart rate 70 beats/min
Heat capacity 0.86 kcal/kg/deg C
Height 1.72 m
Mass 70 kg
Muscle mass 30 kg
Oxygen consumption 260 ml/min
Skin temperature 34.0 deg
Surface area 1.85 sq m
Tidal volume 0.5 l
Total lung capacity 6 l
Vital capacity 4.8 l

These are the values for the average American male.

Lower heart rate with normal BP would normally indicate that you are in slightly better cardiovascular shape than the average fat body Ranger Chiron.

[ChipOnShoulder]

Leatherneck is correct 100%... Who is going to argue with a Delta?

My .02--

There is a recent argument that the 120/80 BP being normal has some debate to it. A normal BP supposedly varies with the individual, but anything too high or irregular is obviously too much, and needs to be adressed further by a physician.

[Chiron]

For 47 y/o neither of those BPs is bad, and your HR is excellent.

If I had a BP in the high 130's I would take my BP once a day for a week, trying to take it at the same time every day after at least 10 minutes of inactivity. If it was still in the high 130's systolic then I would just watch it - maybe look at my cholesterol and see if there were some dietary changes I could make to lower my risks of CVA. But overall those are not bad numbers, especially for an old bastard like yourself.

A low HR may not be a problem for you if it is because you are in good physical condition. Make sure you explain to your doc what your PT regimen is.

My BP is average 120/80-85 I saw it once 115/80 but that was once.

Chollesterol is within acceptable parameters and everything else is okay.

I think it's that I'm 47 and they can't accept the fact that I'm in shape especially with MS/Epilepsy and other crap I have.


Thanks

[bulldogg]

It is possible that the medicine they are going to give you has a side effect of lowering your heart rate. If this is the case the reason for your lower heart rate wouldn't matter, they'd be worried that your heart rate drops even lower... not always a good thing.

Sometimes people are rejected from a medical trial not because it won't help them but that the person's medical profile would skew the results of the study. I'd suggest persuing this aggressively if you really want to be on the protocol. I got in one years ago for migraine treatment but only after four months of being in the doctors' faces until they relented.

[Chiron]

It is possible that the medicine they are going to give you has a side effect of lowering your heart rate. If this is the case the reason for your lower heart rate wouldn't matter, they'd be worried that your heart rate drops even lower... not always a good thing.

That is a fact. I'm trying to get on the trial anyway.

Sometimes people are rejected from a medical trial not because it won't help them but that the person's medical profile would skew the results of the study. I'd suggest persuing this aggressively if you really want to be on the protocol. I got in one years ago for migraine treatment but only after four months of being in the doctors' faces until they relented.

I'm calling as I write.

[Chiron]

It is possible that the medicine they are going to give you has a side effect of lowering your heart rate. If this is the case the reason for your lower heart rate wouldn't matter, they'd be worried that your heart rate drops even lower... not always a good thing.

That is a fact. I'm trying to get on the trial anyway.

Sometimes people are rejected from a medical trial not because it won't help them but that the person's medical profile would skew the results of the study. I'd suggest persuing this aggressively if you really want to be on the protocol. I got in one years ago for migraine treatment but only after four months of being in the doctors' faces until they relented.

I'm calling as I write.

[bulldogg]

Neurology Department Athens General Hospital, "G. Gennimatas", Mesogeion 154 Ave., Athens, 11527, Greece; Not yet recruiting
Clementine E. Karageorgiou, MD neu-pgna@ote.net.gr

Athens Naval Hospital, Neurology Department, 70 Dinokraftous Street, Athens, 11521, Greece; Not yet recruiting
Dimos Mitsikostas, MD, PhD dmitsikostas@ath.forthnet.gr

Neurology Department Athens General Hospital, G. Gennimatas, Mesogeion 154 Ave., Athens, 11527, Greece; Not yet recruiting
Clementine MD, PhD E. Karageorgiou, MD, PhD neu-pgna@ote.net.gr

Military Hospital of Athens, Athens, 11521, Greece; Not yet recruiting
dmitsikostas@ath.forthnet.gr
Nikolaas Fakas, Dr., Principal Investigator

Also...

Ahepa University General Hospital of Thessaloniki
1, Stilp. Kyriakidi Str.
Thessaloniki 54636
Greece
Phone: +30 2310 994683

Aristotelian University of Thessaloniki
Stilp Kiriakidi 1
Thessalonki
Greece
Phone: +0030 9310 994 683

Athens Naval Hospital
(This site is not yet recruiting)

Errikos Dinan General Hospital
107, Mesogion Avenue
Athens 11526
Greece
Phone: 0030 210 6972994

General Hospital of Athens G. Gennimatas
154 Mesogeion Avenue
Athens G-156 69
Greece
Phone: +30 210-770 4231

General University Hospital of Patra-RIO
Patra - RIO 26500
Greece
Phone: +30 2610 999571

Metropolitan Hospital
Ethnarchou Makariou 6 & Eleftheriou Venizelou 1
Neo Faliro
Athens 18547
Greece
Phone: +30 210 4809775

Military Hospital of Athens
(This site is not yet recruiting)
Athens, Greece

Neurology Department
70 Dinokraftous Street
11521 Athens
Greece
Phone: +30 210 726 11 48

Neurology Department Athens General Hospital
(This site is not yet recruiting)

"G. Gennimatas"
Mesogeion 154 Ave.
11527 Athens
Greece
Phone: +30 210 776 83 07
Alternate Phone: +30 210 747 45 36

University Hospital of Heraklion
Voutes
Heraklion Crete 71001
Greece
Phone: 0030 2810 2810 392052

NOVARTIS Greece
Athens

Business Unit: Consumer Health
Address: Novartis (Hellas) S.A.C.I.
Metamorphosis
P.O. Box 520 01
GR-144 10 Athens
GREECE
Phone: +30 210 2811712
Fax: +30 210 2812014
Site Address: Novartis (Hellas) S.A.C.I.
National Road No 1 (12th km)
Metamorphosis
GR-144 51 Athens
URL: http://www.novartis.gr


Athens

Business Unit: Pharmaceuticals
Address: Novartis (Hellas) S.A.C.I.
Metamorphosis
P.O. Box 520 01
GR-144 10 Athens
GREECE
Phone: +30 210 2811712
Fax: +30 210 2812014
Site Address: Novartis (Hellas) S.A.C.I.
National Road No 1 (12th km)
Metamorphosis
GR-144 51 Athens
URL: http://www.novartis.gr


Thessaloniki

Business Unit: Pharmaceuticals
Address: Novartis (Hellas) S.A.C.I.,
Thessaloniki Site
216, Vass. Olgas Ave.
Kalamaria
GR-551 33 Thessaloniki
GREECE
Phone: +30 231 0424039
Fax: +30 231 0424059
Site Address: Novartis (Hellas) S.A.C.I.,
Thessaloniki Site
216, Vass. Olgas Ave.
Kalamaria
GR-551 33 Thessaloniki
URL: http://www.novartis.gr

Give em hell.

[Chiron]

Errikos Dinan General Hospital
107, Mesogion Avenue
Athens 11526
Greece
Phone: 0030 210 6972994

The head of Neurology at Errikos Dinan is my doctor. I have an appointment to call him soon to discuss the approach against Novartis.

Thanks for all the other info. It may come in handy and you saved me some time.