Rant: Harassment Hysteria in the Military

[Rock Island Ranger]

Ive met some awefully good women in the Military. For the most part, professional and serious about their jobs. Recreational fucking is something that is not gender specific nor could anyone hold that against women any more than men. Shit happens. And when it did happen both parties SHOULD be responsible. As a percentage, I saw less overpaid tax burdens in females than I did in males. Im not certain that any claim of them being the downfall of the military is accurate or supportable. In fact...I know it's not. Belief that it is is different than a substantiated fact.

I did not want women in Combat roles nor did I want them in Combat Units. Regardless, they were in Combat Units in support roles and I saw meaningful pride in their work and ability to do the jobs they were assigned.

[hobbit]

There's a place for women in the military. They're called hootch maids.

[Ranger Ron]

There's a place for women in the military. They're called hootch maids.

Oh, I remember her well.

[Jim]

Ive met some awefully good women in the Military. For the most part, professional and serious about their jobs. Recreational fucking is something that is not gender specific nor could anyone hold that against women any more than men. Shit happens. And when it did happen both parties SHOULD be responsible. As a percentage, I saw less overpaid tax burdens in females than I did in males. Im not certain that any claim of them being the downfall of the military is accurate or supportable. In fact...I know it's not. Belief that it is is different than a substantiated fact.

I did not want women in Combat roles nor did I want them in Combat Units. Regardless, they were in Combat Units in support roles and I saw meaningful pride in their work and ability to do the jobs they were assigned.

As usual, I agree with Andy. Having commanded units with a fair number of female soldiers, I would tell you that the formula for soldiers is that you are going to spend 90% of your effort on 10% of the soldiers. You have to treat them exactly the same -- the same standard for everyone. Fair but firm. However, we still do not have sufficient numbers of female soldiers to populate the chains of command. As an example, you have plenty of hard charging male sergeants that if a male soldier has a problem, he can find a role model easily. Sadly, we do not yet have that density of female sergeants.

[hobbit]

On the very top of Osama bin Laden's short list of reasons that militant Islam declared war on the United States, and that 9/11 came about in the first place, was the fact that the US military brought women into Saudi Arabia during the First Gulf War.

[Julieanne]

On the very top of Osama bin Laden's short list of reasons that militant Islam declared war on the United States, and that 9/11 came about in the first place, was the fact that the US military brought women into Saudi Arabia during the First Gulf War.

RGR Hobbit, surely you aren't implying that a reason to not have females in the Military is beacuse we should try not to vex the leaders of militant islamic terrorists? They were dirtbags before American female soldiers ever entered Saudi Arabia.

[CHCB]

On the very top of Osama bin Laden's short list of reasons that militant Islam declared war on the United States, and that 9/11 came about in the first place, was the fact that the US military brought women into Saudi Arabia during the First Gulf War.

Brother, when you resort to using OBL to bolster your argument, things have really started to slide downhill fast.


I think the fact that there were infidels in the Kingdom at all was a lot more offensive than the fact that some of them were female.

[hobbit]

They were dirtbags before American female soldiers ever entered Saudi Arabia.

It's a good thing Osama didn't have cultural insensitivity on that short list or we'd really be up shit creek.

[Julieanne]

They were dirtbags before American female soldiers ever entered Saudi Arabia.

It's a good thing Osama didn't have cultural insensitivity on that short list or we'd really be up shit creek.

Whew- eee! Got that right! I wasn't the only one prancing around, (ignorantly), baring my young, smooth, incredibly sexy elbows...

Such atrocities. :?

[hobbit]

On the Mall in Washington is a monument to the 60,000+ men killed in the Vietnam War, and directly opposite is another monument to the dozen or so women who died in Vietnam. Does that tell you anything about the dementia of sexual identity politics in this country? And we think we can lord over the rest of the world in dictating what is, and what isn't, cognitive distortion? Ha!

BTW You bared your elbows? That's hot.

[Nomad]

After having spent the last 2.5 years of my life in almost every region of the biggest battleground that we have right now, I can with fair comfort say that the stereotypes aren't fabricated.

Nurses put out more than anyone else.
Truckdriver chicks are dirty.
Female MP's get down like this is the last they will see.

Does that speak positively of the males? No, it doesn't. Why? Because it takes two to play the game.



Julieanne and every other woman who has served our country in a time of war and hasn't succumb to becoming the skull-dragging *expletive* that others have, gets my full respect. However, from my limited experience, you girls/ladies/women are the minority compared to the rest of your gender who would rather sit on a *expletive*, instead of doing their job.

It is not the problem of getting laid, hell, if you are single and in a CZ, get laid, you may not get it for the rest of your life, but understand the implications of it all - biggest obviously being that what you portray is what you are going to be seen as.

*Disclaimer* Jules, you can do no wrong by me anyhow

[hobbit]

My experience with enlisted females in combat units, in support roles, is that they are a distraction, and cause issues that I just didn't have the time, nor the desire to mess with. Not that it was their fault, just that thats how it was in my experience.

After I see a few jump on top of a frag to save their fellow troops, maybe I'll reconsider my position.

[Ranger Ron]

Very interesting and complex topic. As usual in a conversation like this we get several questions addressed.

To say that either the mother or father is sole responsible for a pregnancy is crazy. I think most of us know it takes an egg and a sperm to create a baby. Period, end of discussion.

Can a female distract a male from his given assignment???? Yes, thank God!

Are there any jobs in the military that a female can do well and contribute to the overall mission and success of the military? Yes, of course there are!!!

Since the time of my service, I have been a firm believer that this country is making a tremendous mistake by not having mandatory service for all young people. They should all go through military basic training!!! Following that, there could be some non-military service for those who have religious beliefs against it. The remainder of them would serve in the military where they might just learn some respect for each other and their leaders and their country.

[SkyShark]

Very interesting and complex topic. As usual in a conversation like this we get several questions addressed.

To say that either the mother or father is sole responsible for a pregnancy is crazy. I think most of us know it takes an egg and a sperm to create a baby. Period, end of discussion.

Can a female distract a male from his given assignment???? Yes, thank God!

Are there any jobs in the military that a female can do well and contribute to the overall mission and success of the military? Yes, of course there are!!!

Since the time of my service, I have been a firm believer that this country is making a tremendous mistake by not having mandatory service for all young people. They should all go through military basic training!!! Following that, there could be some non-military service for those who have religious beliefs against it. The remainder of them would serve in the military where they might just learn some respect for each other and their leaders and their country.

I have often thought about a mandatory service time for young folks. My only argument would be how would it be enforced? This day and age I feel "I'm going at any cost" crowd would be huge. I was born in 73, so I really have no insight on that crown during Viet Nam except for wht has been told to me at places like the VFW hall or in the history books. I know we don't really have a "peace movement" as we did in the Viet Nam era but I still feel the liberal side of the house and the country would be up in arms and cause the government huge amounts of money and resources in enforcing a mandatory sevice. THEN what would probably happen is, the President would be blamed for putting the country in further debt. Then I see a Democrat going in office and reversing the law as soon as possible.

I am actually proud that we live in a country where it is not mandatory. It saddens me that young people don't find it an honor to serve as I did. However, I am still proud the young folks have a choice. I just wish they would make these choices for themselves and have a different way of learning that the media. Fucking media.