Marine Assualted By Teens Outside of Movie Theater

[IEDmagnet]

I don't care if there are 20 of those fuckers you hit my wife and I am going to get my hands on one of those shits and that fucker is going to die. I am going to gouge someones eyes out with my thumbs.

This....awesome.

[C-MAC]

It's a tough call knowing when to shoot and when not to. If I saw a weapon yes, if I felt it was a situation that could result in death then yes. There are too many situations where victims are turned into the bad guy by the prosecutor and/or media, depending on where you live. If that Marine pulled a Glock and started shooting those kids he's in prison for life, no question. I don't think it's worth it. I'd use the pepper spray and take it from there. If this were Camden NJ or a bad section of Detroit my thoughts would be very different.

The unfortunate truth is these types of incidents are all too commonplace- and it does not have to be Camden. Look at this in Wisconsin;
http://www.wisn.com/r/26347040/detail.html

Unless kids start to see there are consequences for their actions, we will be like France and the UK in a few years; with kids rioting for more social handouts.

These despicable actions are the result of many years worth of liberal social policy including disincentives to work or become productive members of this society. Their politically correct coddling and attempt at "cradle to grave" government intervention is eating away at our society like a cancer and this is the result; a generation of malcontents that feel they are somehow entitled to do what they want and make unreasonable demands on society.

I am not suggesting we outright shoot them. Just fight back with equally measured (and if necessary) escalating force. Most of these punks have never had someone set and hold a boundary. Watch how quickly they comply when you take down the biggest instigator in the group, then later on treat the "mob" as adult defenders in court. Guarantee word gets around that actions have consequences.

[Lefty]

[quote="C-MAC"]
The unfortunate truth is these types of incidents are all too commonplace- and it does not have to be Camden. Look at this in Wisconsin;
http://www.wisn.com/r/26347040/detail.htmlquote]

Unfortunately this incident occurred in the neighborhood where HH6 and I lived until 2000. The mall involved is one of the highest end destination malls in an affluent suburb of Milwaukee right next to one of the most exclusive country clubs in the area. Until the late 1990's this was an exclusive enclave, then the city bus lines ran some "express" routes to the mall. With the addition of a large cinema complex and the minimal bus fare, this mall became the hangout of choice for inner city kids. When the poorest thugs from the core arrived by the busload and encountered the wealthy suburbanites and their spoiled kids, there were bound to be some disagreements. The inner city kids call it "wilding" and excuse it as "having a little fun".
I checked the local newspaper website article and today's comments. The site was so flooded by angry comments from both sides that the website began mass deletions of the comments before shutting down the comments completely. Predictable reactions - the critics of the inner city kids were labeled racist while the remainder excused the conduct as "a little fun".
This has ruined what was the classiest mall in the Milwaukee area.

[panthersix]

I was pretty stoked when the Bay Area Rapid Transit put in a direct line from Oakland. VERY surprised that many of the vehicles stolen from our area are recovered in Oakland.

Sure that somebody feels great about that decision, somebody that suffers from guilt................

I worked in transit ridership forecasting and the computer models don't take crime into consideration when generating projected ridership. Inputs typically include income levels and auto ownership rates (the lower the better)....which do, in fact, lead to high bus ridership...amongst other things, but cost per rider is something the Federal Transit Administration wants reported. So the more riders (scum or not) the better it looks for getting more federal funding.

[C-MAC]

The unfortunate truth is these types of incidents are all too commonplace- and it does not have to be Camden. Look at this in Wisconsin;
http://www.wisn.com/r/26347040/detail.htmlquote]

Unfortunately this incident occurred in the neighborhood where HH6 and I lived until 2000. The mall involved is one of the highest end destination malls in an affluent suburb of Milwaukee right next to one of the most exclusive country clubs in the area. Until the late 1990's this was an exclusive enclave, then the city bus lines ran some "express" routes to the mall. With the addition of a large cinema complex and the minimal bus fare, this mall became the hangout of choice for inner city kids. When the poorest thugs from the core arrived by the busload and encountered the wealthy suburbanites and their spoiled kids, there were bound to be some disagreements. The inner city kids call it "wilding" and excuse it as "having a little fun".
I checked the local newspaper website article and today's comments. The site was so flooded by angry comments from both sides that the website began mass deletions of the comments before shutting down the comments completely. Predictable reactions - the critics of the inner city kids were labeled racist while the remainder excused the conduct as "a little fun".
This has ruined what was the classiest mall in the Milwaukee area.

CAUTION:PREACHY STATEMENTS AHEAD

Unfortunately, your story can be repeated in many places across this country. In fact, we have the same issues with a local mall that is quickly starting to consume significant LE resources- one of the main concerns many of us had in opposing its construction.

The common thread IMHO is irresponsible parents combined with mall developers that put forth measly security measures due to the costs. I am curious how many parents whose kids are spending most of their free time at the mall go to check up on them. IDK- just randomly get up from the front of your HDTV or skip drinks with the neighbors and stop by just to see what is going on?

Trust is earned, not granted by parental decree or simply given as a privilege with some scary tag-line like "you better not get in trouble". Sure. That'll do it. Until you are bailing them out of county or God forbid something worse.

It's also not "cool" to give into to your own no limits Freudian juvenile inclinations. Kids want and need boundaries. Give it to them instead of $20 for the mall.

[Blackjack]

I had a somewhat similar situation at my school.Me and a buddy were coming back from lunch, and we saw a crowd gathered in the parking lot. Someone was in a fight so we went up to see what was going on, well once we got close enough to see we saw that my best friend and his girl friend were getting beat up by a group of about 10 kids. We instantly jumped in and tried to stop it. Well that didnt work so well and me and my friend ended up getting our asses kicked. but we hit a few of them pretty good :D and my best friend and his girlfriend got out while me and my friend were being killed.
It still surprises me that someone could watch a couple being beaten and just stand there and do nothing.

[RangerX]

The fear of death or GBH is generally the benchmark for use of deadly force. The problem is, it depends on what state you are in and how the legislation is written, as well as the leanings of the judge and jury you get that will determine the outcome.

In this situation, I would take the fine for discharging a firearm in a public place, which would cause much underwear stainage and crowd dispersal. If they didn't pop smoke after the warning shot, then I think I would be well within my rights to kneecap some of the little tardlings. At least in Georgia anyway.