How many parents do we have here?

[rgrokelley]

Your sig line sucks. No man of courage has ever been defeated, nor would quantify it in terms that he can justify. By the way, Ingersoll was the son of a minister who declared himself an agnostic - meaning, he didn't listen to his fucking elders either. He claims his closest friend was Walt Whitman - a transcendalist who is commonly thought to be a homosexual. I can think of better men to quote than a "Colonel" who surrendered and sat out the Civil War.

He was a Yankee too. Dang, if you're going to quote someone from that war, at least find one who didn't get his ass kicked and surrender before the first year was over. I guess next you can put up as role models the men who gave up at Goliad and were executed, instead of fighting it out like those over in San Antonio de Bexar (look that one up), or maybe the mighty French army manning the Maginot line around spring of 1940.