Looking for some leadership advice

[resqparamedic]

Ok I am going to ask a 1SG question.

Have you put it on paper? I mean really sat the little bastard down and councelled his ass. Smoke is great for a quick fix but usually not very effective for the long haul. Write a counceling statement that outlines ever short coming he has ever displayed, AND how he is going to overcome those sort comings. Yeah it a pain in the ass but it works at many different levels. Sometimes you really have to spell shit out to people he probably has been smoked sense day one and has callouses on his ass.
In other words Smoke dosnt reach him anymore.

It could be the Kid needs to go down the road ....if you have the paper on him, it makes it that much easier.

Probably not what you wanted to hear. Try it see if it works. I am sure your Squad leader has put shit on paper good or bad about you. Think about how it made you feel to actully hear it in a conversational tone.

Hey 1SG, great advice, but where was that couseling form option when you were smoking my bags!? Is that something you learned since then, or just chose not to do? It would have been so nice to have heard just once, "Duff, come here, we're not going to smoke the piss out of you, we're going to sit down and have a nice chat about what is troubling you. Would you like coffee and doughnuts?"

[Goog]

OK, I'm a FOG....what is "RFS".

RFS- Release for Standards

[Goog]

Hey 1SG, great advice, but where was that couseling form option when you were smoking my bags!? Is that something you learned since then, or just chose not to do? It would have been so nice to have heard just once, "Duff, come here, we're not going to smoke the piss out of you, we're going to sit down and have a nice chat about what is troubling you. Would you like coffee and doughnuts?" [/quote]

Do I hear sniveling going on?

[rgrpuck]

Hey 1SG, great advice, but where was that couseling form option when you were smoking my bags!? Is that something you learned since then, or just chose not to do? It would have been so nice to have heard just once, "Duff, come here, we're not going to smoke the piss out of you, we're going to sit down and have a nice chat about what is troubling you. Would you like coffee and doughnuts?"

Quit snivleing bitch...

The only short coming I have ever been able to find in the Regt., was the fact that when a Pvt fucked up, the summery realese policy was to easy to use. ( I would have never addmitted this while I was in BN. )
What it has a tendancy to do, is not allow for the development of junior leaders. Ie. it is easier to DX than fix the problem. On one hand I understand the concept. Leaders in a BN should be afforded maximum time for training, and not have to worry about joe being fucked up. If joe is fucked up then get rid of him and get some one that is squared away.
The probelm with this is Junior leaders, and in some cases Senior leaders, have no idea how to deal with soldiers that are leardership challenges.

I had to learn hard and fast once I left the Regt. For example, the first time I had ever seen anyone get any UCMJ action, ie. an Art.15, I was an E-5 with 4+ years in the Army. That is unheard of in the regular Army.
In the first 6 months of becomeing a 1SG I had to process 9 UCMJ actions, and they still are in your unit ,and they still have to train.

CSM Leon Gurerro identified this when he was the RSM. and had several NCODP's with us about it. He knew that one day we would have to go into the regular Army and if we wernt prepared for it in some way we would be fucked.


But bottom line Duff ........it wasnt just me that crushed you a couple of times As I remember, you had a hard time staying awake after "E-tool" Evans finished with his 0400 pt with the HQ section. and I know Goog and Devens batted you around more than once.

[SAWgunner4fun]

I was just talking to my team leader about it and I guess the new unofficial rule is that a private has 6 months to get his shit straight before we can DX him.
I bounced the advice I got here off him and he was very receptive. We are assigning this guy one of our senior privates (he can't pass the Pre-Ranger PT Test) to him as a Ranger Buddy. Hopefully thier strengths rub off on each other. That way we get our squared away dude to School and our fucked up dude squared away.

[rgrpuck]

I was just talking to my team leader about it and I guess the new unofficial rule is that a private has 6 months to get his shit straight before we can DX him.
I bounced the advice I got here off him and he was very receptive. We are assigning this guy one of our senior privates (he can't pass the Pre-Ranger PT Test) to him as a Ranger Buddy. Hopefully thier strengths rub off on each other. That way we get our squared away dude to School and our fucked up dude squared away.

Make sure you have a plan FOR them, on how they will square each other away.

[Silverback]

Hey 1SG, great advice, but where was that couseling form option when you were smoking my bags!? Is that something you learned since then, or just chose not to do? It would have been so nice to have heard just once, "Duff, come here, we're not going to smoke the piss out of you, we're going to sit down and have a nice chat about what is troubling you. Would you like coffee and doughnuts?"

Quit snivleing bitch...

The only short coming I have ever been able to find in the Regt., was the fact that when a Pvt fucked up, the summery realese policy was to easy to use. ( I would have never addmitted this while I was in BN. )
What it has a tendancy to do, is not allow for the development of junior leaders. Ie. it is easier to DX than fix the problem. On one hand I understand the concept. Leaders in a BN should be afforded maximum time for training, and not have to worry about joe being fucked up. If joe is fucked up then get rid of him and get some one that is squared away.
The probelm with this is Junior leaders, and in some cases Senior leaders, have no idea how to deal with soldiers that are leardership challenges.

I had to learn hard and fast once I left the Regt. For example, the first time I had ever seen anyone get any UCMJ action, ie. an Art.15, I was an E-5 with 4+ years in the Army. That is unheard of in the regular Army.
In the first 6 months of becomeing a 1SG I had to process 9 UCMJ actions, and they still are in your unit ,and they still have to train.

CSM Leon Gurerro identified this when he was the RSM. and had several NCODP's with us about it. He knew that one day we would have to go into the regular Army and if we wernt prepared for it in some way we would be fucked.


But bottom line Duff ........it wasnt just me that crushed you a couple of times As I remember, you had a hard time staying awake after "E-tool" Evans finished with his 0400 pt with the HQ section. and I know Goog and Devens batted you around more than once.

Anyone that knows Duff knows he needs to be smoked!

[resqparamedic]

:::REPAIRED BY THE QRT:::
Quit snivleing bitch...

But bottom line Duff ........it wasnt just me that crushed you a couple of times As I remember, you had a hard time staying awake after "E-tool" Evans finished with his 0400 pt with the HQ section. and I know Goog and Devens batted you around more than once.

Hey 1SG, it wasn't so much that the 0400 pt sucked. But when we were done and had to do 0600 pt, which was the same as the 0400 pt all over again, now that sucked. 1SG evans, now there was a fruitloop; prick sent me through pre-ranger 5 freaking times, just for shits and giggles! Do you remember the MungaDie PT test? And yes, Goog and Devens both brought some. Goog wasn't bad, funny as shit, so you always had a good laugh while getting smoked. Devens though, he was funny, but I was never quite sure he wasn't going to run over and eat my heart just for GP. But neither was a bad as Melians.

Oh, and Silverback...Bite Me!

[Silverback]

:::REPAIRED BY THE QRT:::
Quit snivleing bitch...

But bottom line Duff ........it wasnt just me that crushed you a couple of times As I remember, you had a hard time staying awake after "E-tool" Evans finished with his 0400 pt with the HQ section. and I know Goog and Devens batted you around more than once.

Hey 1SG, it wasn't so much that the 0400 pt sucked. But when we were done and had to do 0600 pt, which was the same as the 0400 pt all over again, now that sucked. 1SG evans, now there was a fruitloop; prick sent me through pre-ranger 5 freaking times, just for shits and giggles! Do you remember the MungaDie PT test? And yes, Goog and Devens both brought some. Goog wasn't bad, funny as shit, so yo always had a good laugh while getting smoked. Devens though, he was funny, but I was never quite sure he wasn't going to run over and eat my heart just for GP. But neither was a bad as Melians.

Oh, and Silverback...Bite Me!

"Bite me, Sergeant" Will do fine next time

[resqparamedic]

:::REPAIRED AGAIN BY THE QRT:::
"Bite me, Sergeant" Will do fine next time

Ahhhhhhh, yes, Sergeant!

[UBOAT]

I say let's start with the SQUADLEADER. if he doesnt know what to do with this Ranger, then he needs to be FIRED!

Your are SPECIALIST, this aint your fuckin JOB, but if you want the challenge, go for it.

The DX thing after six months is only for the Physical Standards!

Disrepespect to NCO's can be done by UCMJ anytime.

I was a smartass too when i was YOUNG, and you what fixed it.....that's right....WALL TO WALL COUNSELING...by my TEAMLEADER...it aint your job SPECIALIST, you can advise him on what to do, if don't listen, give him enough rope to hang himself, he will figure it out sooner or later.

[DJB]

The two key aspects of completing the mission is making sure every soldier knows and understands the mission statement and the commanders intent. I know you have heard this a thousand times, but have you ensured that this guy knows and understands your intent. Guys will obey and follow orders blindly when one of two things happen, 1) when they are afraid of the consequences if they fail to follow your orders, or 2) If they respect your leadership and understand that you have reason for your orders. The first works great during basic training even through RIP to some degree, but it should cease being a primary means of leadership at that time. It can only work as long as they are more afraid of you than whatever it is they are going up against. Smoke is generally good at promoting that fear, but it won’t get you any closer to having your problem child respect your leadership. Now, how do you emphasize to this stud that lives are on the line if he fails to obey, if he fails to pay attention to detail? It takes work. When you give him an order, you better damn well have a reason, he doesn’t have to know it before hand but take time to show him after. This will help him develop as a soldier as well as realize there is method to your madness. Make sure your corrective training is in fact corrective. Smoking a guy for an hour after finding out he left his weapon on fire doesn’t have nearly the training impact that making him write a letter to the next of kin of one of his fellow Rangers does. When I guy has to sit down and write a letter explaining how he has killed someone’s brother, son, father or husband on accident it makes them understand intent.

Mission and Intent, its more than just part of an op-order.

[Steve1/75]

He says that no one is untrainable and I agree but I'm out of ideas.

Don’t kid yourself not everyone is trainable.

[Kilted Heathen]

Oh just double-time him to the mess hall and hold his fucking feet in the deep-fryer.