Pre-revolution thru Civil War

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Re: Pre-revolution thru Civil War

Postby Flesh Thorn » November 15th, 2011, 8:44 pm

After the French and Indian War, Rogers Rangers saw service in Haiti.
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Re: Pre-revolution thru Civil War

Postby goon175 » November 15th, 2011, 11:59 pm

Wow, I did not know they made it all the way down there!
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Re: Pre-revolution thru Civil War

Postby rgrokelley » November 16th, 2011, 10:47 am

Flesh Thorn wrote:After the French and Indian War, Rogers Rangers saw service in Haiti.


Being the 18th century historian guy here...

What the fuck?!!!

Haiti was part of Hispaniola and was owned by France. The eastern half of the island was owned by Spain. With the Treaty of Paris military operations against Spain and France ceased. There were no actions in Hispaniola after the French and Indian war.

After the French and Indian War Rogers had big problems. He had spent much of his own money equipping the Rangers during the war and he was now in debt. Through a series of bad choices and partners, he ended up in debtor prison in New York, but he escaped and traveled to England. In England he tried his hand at writing books and plays about the war. These were popular and caught the eye of King George, who made Rogers governor of Fort Michilimackinaw (Mackinaw, MI) and authorized him to search for the mythical Northwest Passage to the Pacific. Unfortunately Rogers had pissed off Sir Thomas Gage, the British commander in North America, and he went out of his way to try to find dirt on Rogers. Finally Gage was able to get Rogers private secretary, Nathaniel Potter, to swear that Rogers was trying to give his province of MIchigan back to the French. This was a bullshit charge, but it was enough to get Rogers relieved and tried for treason. Rogers was vindicated, since the charges were bullshit, but he would not serve under Gage. Rogers tried to get the King to forgive his debts, but now the King had a problem with the colonies becoming rebellious. Rogers went back to debtors prison, but sued Gage for false imprisonment on the treason charges. Gage settled out of court in return for giving Rogers a major's commission on half pay (like a reserve officer). About this time he returned to the US, and tried to become part of the rebellion... and the rest is history.
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Re: Pre-revolution thru Civil War

Postby Flesh Thorn » November 16th, 2011, 12:55 pm

rgrokelley wrote:Being the 18th century historian guy here...

What the fuck?!!!



I will get back to you.
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Re: Pre-revolution thru Civil War

Postby RangerX » November 16th, 2011, 1:00 pm

I'm still waiting for the Pastor to log in and give us some first hand accounts.....
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Re: Pre-revolution thru Civil War

Postby Flesh Thorn » November 16th, 2011, 3:05 pm

Flesh Thorn wrote:
rgrokelley wrote:Being the 18th century historian guy here...

What the fuck?!!!



I will get back to you.

I must be thinking of Gorham's Rangers in Havana, 1762.
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Re: Pre-revolution thru Civil War

Postby Lefty » November 16th, 2011, 6:26 pm

Their reputation quickly grew and on September 14, 1757 Rogers “Ranger school” was officially opened and his students were all British cadet volunteers.


Don't wanna name names, but I think there's a coupla FOGs here who went to that school...........
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Re: Pre-revolution thru Civil War

Postby Lefty » November 16th, 2011, 6:44 pm

RangerX wrote:I'm still waiting for the Pastor to log in and give us some first hand accounts.....


Damn...you beat me to it and posted that while I was writing my own response....
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Re: Pre-revolution thru Civil War

Postby Jim » November 16th, 2011, 7:06 pm

Lefty wrote:
RangerX wrote:I'm still waiting for the Pastor to log in and give us some first hand accounts.....


Damn...you beat me to it and posted that while I was writing my own response....


Let me remind you all that Karl (Lefty) and I both went to RS several years before the Pastor.
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Re: Pre-revolution thru Civil War

Postby Flesh Thorn » December 15th, 2011, 1:00 am

Flesh Thorn wrote:
rgrokelley wrote:Being the 18th century historian guy here...

What the fuck?!!!



I will get back to you.

I found what I was looking for, Martinique, 16 January, 1762, Amos Ogden and Joseph Wait, both veterans of the St. Francis Raid, captained ranging companies in the Martinique campaign.

American Rangers are listed as taking part in the invasion . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_ex ... Martinique

I am not a historian and I am relying upon what I read in White Devil by Stephen Brumwell. I just didn't want anyone to think that I was completely ignorant. :D
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Re: Pre-revolution thru Civil War

Postby rgrokelley » December 15th, 2011, 10:48 am

Flesh Thorn wrote:
Flesh Thorn wrote:
rgrokelley wrote:Being the 18th century historian guy here...

What the fuck?!!!



I will get back to you.

I found what I was looking for, Martinique, 16 January, 1762, Amos Ogden and Joseph Wait, both veterans of the St. Francis Raid, captained ranging companies in the Martinique campaign.

American Rangers are listed as taking part in the invasion . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_ex ... Martinique

I am not a historian and I am relying upon what I read in White Devil by Stephen Brumwell. I just didn't want anyone to think that I was completely ignorant. :D


No problem. The island raids during the war were known. The only thing I was taken aback by was Haiti, which no one raided, and the comment that it happened after the war. The islands were fair game during the war due to the sugar production. Sugar = rum. Rum was a super cash crop and owning a sugar plantation would be like owning an oil well today.
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Re: Pre-revolution thru Civil War

Postby Jim » March 18th, 2013, 11:10 am

Nathan Hale was captured by Robert Rogers and his Rangers. Irony abounds.


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Re: Pre-revolution thru Civil War

Postby rgrokelley » March 20th, 2013, 5:54 am

Jim wrote:Nathan Hale was captured by Robert Rogers and his Rangers. Irony abounds.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Hale


Nathan Hale was a dumbass. Everyone else got away during those intell missions. Hale... not too bright.
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Re: Pre-revolution thru Civil War

Postby Lunch » March 20th, 2013, 11:05 am

Flesh Thorn wrote:
Flesh Thorn wrote:
rgrokelley wrote:Being the 18th century historian guy here...

What the fuck?!!!



I will get back to you.

I found what I was looking for, Martinique, 16 January, 1762, Amos Ogden and Joseph Wait, both veterans of the St. Francis Raid, captained ranging companies in the Martinique campaign.

American Rangers are listed as taking part in the invasion . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_ex ... Martinique" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am not a historian and I am relying upon what I read in White Devil by Stephen Brumwell. I just didn't want anyone to think that I was completely ignorant. :D


Have some cool pics of colonial fortifications and relic cannons in Dominica, which I would think think to be representative of those on Martinique. Rather than preserved, they were just sitting out there with the jungle reclaiming the area. Found one building that must have served as an armory; knee-deep full of rusty grape shot. Tried to post some up, but getting error message that "board quota has been reached"; don't know how else to go about uploading pics here any more. If any history buffs are interested, let me know how to send some to ya.
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Re: Pre-revolution thru Civil War

Postby Lunch » March 21st, 2013, 11:40 am

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I'll be damned, I learned how to do something new today. I'll add one or two others later.
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