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Re: Vibram Five Fingers

Postby snipe4fun » July 7th, 2011, 7:14 am

Yeah, "Toe Shoes" have gained a lot of attention, but "Minimalist" running shoes have been around for several decades, just ask any long distance or cross country runner. Likewise, the concept of running by impacting on the ball of the foot first, rather than the heel, has been around a long time, but more often than not, gets ignored because 'running shoes' have inch thick pads specifically designed for the heel strike/long stride style of running that has been only allowed by Nike technology in the 1970s (which also ushered in a sure-fire recipe for running injuries to mass market).

I was a heel strike runner for years. Perhaps I'd been given advice as a teenager, but ignored it in favor of the advice Nike was giving me in the form of fancy air cushioned sole shoes which encouraged long stride heel strike running. Formation runs in the Army, continued to reinforce this style of running, matching cadence (stomping feet and shouting jody calls seemed more the point of those runs than actual PT anyways). I developed knee problems by about my third year of enlistment, which followed me for years after my ets.

I bought my first pair of VFFs about a year and a half ago, after spotting them in a WOD pic on the Crossfit website. I have found Crossfit to be a very effective fitness methodology, and had also been learning Tai Chi Chuan and Kung Fu, and the instruction I'd been receiving placed an emphasis on development of 'root', ie grabbing the ground with your feet. We train with those cloth sole 'Kung Fu shoes', on a polished wood floor at the local VFW hall. Getting a pair of these foot gloves has been awesome, and after reading up on barefoot running, I decided to give running a try again. I think my first few runs were with my regular Asics, but focused on keeping a more rapid cadence, and landing ball of the foot first. I was able to finish a 3 mile run with a 7:30 mile pace, which was quite a surprise. Granted the Tai Chi, Kung Fu, and Crossfit has kept me in good shape, but in addition to the satisfying run time, I had zero knee or back pain, which I had been anticipating.

Now-a-days, when I run, VFFs or not, I run on the balls of my feet. I do notice that my lower calves are sore afterwards, but I guess this is due to never having used them before. I expect that my arches and ankles are being strengthened as well. You do need to take it easy at first so as not to cause a stress injury, but with regular, scaled runs and exercise, your body will adapt and I expect your run time will improve with a reduction in injuries/pain.

Granted, Big Army has now banned VFFs, but the benefit from a barefoot running style can still be had. Merrill, NB, Asics and plenty of other shoe manufacturers make 'Minimalist' running shoes, which provide a minimum of padding, are very light weight, and won't get you dinged for wearing 'fad shoes'.

If something as simple as barefoot running was such an advantage, with the brazillions of dollars and years of research done to shave .001 second off an Olympian's run time, or to give a running back a slight advantage, a gymnast higher jumps, etc, don't you think this woulda been discovered and become standard 30 years ago?


Actually, I recall reading an article about an Olympic marathon runner from Kenya, or some other African nation, who had grown up running literally barefoot. 'Normal' shoes were extremely uncomfortable for him, yet he had never run on asphalt (which was tearing his feet up), but would have to in order to compete in the upcoming Olypmics (1988 I think). Like other humans who have spent their entire lives without shoes, their toes are naturally spread out. Nike made some special shoes for him that had pockets for his two inner toes on each foot, kind of like Japanese 'tabi' but with pockets for two toes instead of just one. You could order a pair of these Nikes for about $3000, as I recall. Our 'modern' shoes are akin to Chinese foot binding, imho.

BTW, have you seen the 'shoes' that gymnasts wear? :roll:
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Re: Vibram Five Fingers

Postby Flesh Thorn » September 1st, 2011, 12:00 am

It has been two months and I am still running and hiking in the Trail Gloves and liking them. My arches and over pronation have improved. I am not as fast as before, but I enjoy it more and don't have the odd aches and pains that I used to have. I was diagnosed with arthritis in both big toes as well as bunions. It may seem counter-intuitive, but wearing less on my feet has actually improved how my feet feel and I do not suffer from the aching and inflammation any more. Yes I do feel the occasional sharp rock, but I have yet to injure my feet. When I do have to wear normal boots, I have noticed that I walk softer. I have ordered some custom Mukluks for this winter and will probably be getting rid of most of my normal footwear as they no longer fit right. I have to question why modern shoes have such narrow toe boxes and WTF are the heels raised ? If I kill a deer early enough in the season, I will be tanning the hide and making moccasins.
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Re: Vibram Five Fingers

Postby The Sleepy Doc » September 1st, 2011, 10:59 am

To further confuse things, up until NIkes were invented running shoes were little more than leather gloves for the feet. They had absolutely no cushion and from the ball of the foot forward was basically a rigid platform to attach spikes. Professional runners used them for years. In fact, the first "modern" running shoe was very similar to the Merrill's

I guess everything old is new again..
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Re: Re: Vibram Five Fingers

Postby Zonk 1/75 » September 3rd, 2011, 4:08 pm

Flesh Thorn wrote:It has been two months and I am still running and hiking in the Trail Gloves and liking them........... I have ordered some custom Mukluks for this winter..............


Got me a pair of Trail Gloves yesterday. The store comped me "The Barefoot Running Book" with my purchase. Hoping to rehab some back issues and will see where these will fit in.

BTW, I honestly don't even know where my VFF's are. That's how much I have used them....

Still up in the air regarding Mukluks.....

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Re: Vibram Five Fingers

Postby Flesh Thorn » September 3rd, 2011, 6:01 pm

These are the Mukluks I ordered: http://www.arrowmoc.com/muk-8.html

Yep, I am chucking out $250. :shock:
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Re: Vibram Five Fingers

Postby goon175 » October 4th, 2011, 1:41 pm

For your reading enjoyment...

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/american-council-on-exercise-evaluates-benefits-of-vibram-fivefingers-shoes-for-barefoot-runners-130713248.html

Also, I think I am gonna get a pair of New Balance's Minimus shoes for the winter time. VFF's are a little to cold for upstate NY, and the pair they make for colder weather doesn't come in my size.
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Re: Vibram Five Fingers

Postby Kamahito » November 19th, 2011, 2:00 pm

haha holmchicken that is funny huh? The interesting thing is that it just goes for the IPFU. I have seen a lot of the guys here just doing either the Rippie appearance (Tan shirt with the army shorts) or even going ranger panties with their unit shirts and getting around the rule all together.
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Re: Vibram Five Fingers

Postby snafu » November 20th, 2011, 2:21 am

Kamahito wrote:I have seen a lot of the guys here just doing either the Rippie appearance (Tan shirt with the army shorts) or even going ranger panties with their unit shirts and getting around the rule all together.



I don't know if you're in Bragg still, but I haven't seen anyone wearing anything like this. Unit specific shirts, maybe, but definitely no Ranger panties. The only time I see VFFs is when guys are doing their own PT in the gym. I have yet to see guys running in formation with those on. Also, since it's the topic of the thread, if you wear VFFs on any day other than legs or cardio, you're suspect and probably a fat guy pretending to be in shape like someone else said earlier.
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Re: Vibram Five Fingers

Postby Kamahito » November 22nd, 2011, 5:15 am

Snafu you can see them on in Callahan and at Tucker every morning lol. Also I wear mine all of the time but then again the army plugged my vestibular balance mechanisms so me wearing them makes a significant difference in me being able to walk a mostly straight line.
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Re: Vibram Five Fingers

Postby Flesh Thorn » March 31st, 2012, 6:44 pm

I am coming up on my one year mark for running in barefoot style shoes. My legs from the knee down are totally transformed. I have muscles where none existed before. My distance and pace are better than when I last ran in traditional shoes and I find myself looking forward to the next run. I have experienced none of the speculated injuries. In short, I am still drinking the Kool-Aid and loving it.
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Re: Vibram Five Fingers

Postby rangertough » March 31st, 2012, 9:02 pm

You know back in the mid-90's when Camelbacks came out we adopted them off the shelf at BN. I went to BNCOC at Benning during the hottest summer in 90 years. During a Heat cat 1,000,000 road march the only thing keeping us Northerners upright was our Camelbacks. 10th MTN guys didn't have them and they were dieing by mile 2. Of course some douche instructor tried to have us drop them. He got a mighty "F-OFF" from us. You know Camelbacks right? There issued to every Soldier in the Army now as part of their basic kit. Hell even the Reserves have them.

Evidently that douche became CSM of the Army. He thinks they present an unprofessional appearance. Whereas the pink and purple NB running shoes are totally professional on a dudes foot.

My Vibrams are black with an aggressive tread (my words not theirs) like you find on the bottom of every boot that has Vibram soles. I wear them when I'm PT'ing in civilian PT's at home or on JBLM. I don't use the gyms because I don't want to compete with octogenarians or have yet one more CSM who was lobotomized at the Academy eye fucking me during my workout. If CSM's were doing their real jobs (taking care of Soldiers) the Army wouldn't be in half the state it's in.

I have eliminated back, knee and foot pain from my runs. I've only changed one thing about my workout regimens MY SHOES. The cost is worth it for that alone.

As to the "We don't need to change our equipment" crowd...

Really glad when we conducted the transition from muzzle-loading smoothbore rifles all the way to cartridge based high powered Combat rifles you were in the minority.

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Re: Vibram Five Fingers

Postby goon175 » April 2nd, 2012, 5:29 am

Not only do I drink the kool-aid, I swim in the kool-aid - VFF's, crossfit, and paleo. It may draw criticism from some, but it works well for my wife and I. The benefits from these methods far outweight the criticisms.
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Re: Vibram Five Fingers

Postby Flesh Thorn » May 17th, 2012, 12:27 pm

The first down side, I have had to replace some of my favorite footwear with a half size bigger and wider. The muscles in my feet have grown that much.
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