Reasons to Not Like Obama

[Flesh Thorn]

Again, what has this man done to earn being called "honorable"?

He lost some blood playing b-ball................

[rgrokelley]

Most frighteningly, like George W. Bush, and his nearly fascist administration enabled Obama to happen in the first place, what is this multicultural poster boy, far left figurehead going to pave the way for in terms of backlash? While we need a progressive moderate, I have a feeling this country will be so sick of him, it will veer even further right than W. That frightens me the most.

Not really caring about G.W. Bush one way or another, but as a historian I cringe whenever the fascist thing gets thrown around. The first myth is that fascism is somehow ultra-right, or ultra-conservative. I think this was a spin started by the progressive/liberal academics to draw attention away from the realization that fascism is a progressive ideology.

Fascism is socialism. The simplify it, it is communism-lite. The NAZIs were National Socialists. The reason the NAZI flag was red was to entice the communists to join them. Hitler was a master at symbolism and propaganda. Communism and Fascism are so similiar that it is very hard to tell the two apart.

Fascism is when the government takes over the business community, but allows the owners to maintain their ownership. The government will tell the owners what they can sell, how much they can sell it and when they can sell it. However the owners still have their name on the front of the store. A good example of modern fascism is China. They went from pure communism to a form of communism-lite.

So, though GW Bush was another carpet bagger posing as a Texan, he was not a fascist, and with the exception of his final bailout, when he took over some banks to "save them" he did not do any fascist policies.

[mortar_guy78]

Ok, maybe I am opening myself up for a serious argument, but fascism IS a fundamentally conservative, right wing movement. True, fascism is socialism's ugly cousin, but it's basically the right's version of it. Go too far left and you're a socialist, too far right and you're a fascist. They are mirror images.

Mussolini (the founder of modern fascism) referred to fascism as the "marriage of government and corporate interests". There is no talk of redistribution of wealth, as in socialism. Such ideas are antithetical to fascism, which seeks to keep wealth where it is, and foster a conservativism so intense that ANY change in society is viewed as bad and weakening to the nation as a whole.

That being said, fascism has always been very nationalistic in its outlook, focusing on extreme patriotism. Fascism fosters a view of the homeland as somehow sacred and the people who live within its borders as almost divinely mandated to be the light of civilization, guardians of whatever value is most important to the movement at the time. Socialism is an international movement focusing on the rise of the working class. Marx, Engels and their followers have always poo-pooed nationalism as a distraction from the socialist agenda and a means of controlling the working class by contributing to their false-consciousness and identification with the bourgoisie. One of the most famous phrases from "The Communist Manifesto" is "Workers of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains. You have a world to win!"

True, Hitler named his party National Socialist in the hopes of winning over the working class, but he despised communism and the idea of redisribution of wealth as encouraging weakness. Remember, Hitler was a Social Darwinist who believed that the poor were poor because they were lazy and unfit to rule, not because of the effect of inherited wealth on opportunity. Hitler persecuted the communists, labor unionists, socialists, etc. putting them in concentration camps and murdering them at every opportunity.

Granted, the ultimate effect of both communism and fascism is government control of people's lives and limitation of political, social and economic freedom. However, the ideology is completely different. I'm just saying that niether liberals nor conservatives have a monopoly on Totalitarianism. Look at the extreme right, especially the evangelical Christian ones who want to make America a fascist theocracy. What is the real difference between them and the Iranian government? Would you honestly lump them in with Trotsky or Lenin in terms of ideology?

What I'm really getting at is that Bush and Obama are two sides of the same coin. I was not a fan of Bush, and I am certainly not a fan of Obama. I am extremely pessimistic about the future of American politics, and I don't see us pulling out of this reactionary thinking any time soon. People used to vote FOR a candidate, and now they seem to merely vote AGAINST.

As for me, I'll continue to vote Libertarian and keep my conscience clean.

[MarineRanger]

Reasons to Not Like Obama?

I am a Libertarian.
I love the Tea Party.
I like Sarah Palin.

I would vote for Donald Trump in a heartbeat. He may end up being the best candidate. He's pulled himself out of Bankruptcy 2 or 3 times, and came out smelling like a rose. He has the perfect experience that we need ... now that we are virtually bankrupt.

[mortar_guy78]

I don't see how you can be a libertarian and a fan of Sarah Palin at the same time. True, she is in favor of looser economic policy but she is also in favor of more heavy handed social legislation. Last time I checked, libertarians just want the government to stay the fuck out of their lives, period.

[MarineRanger]

she is also in favor of more heavy handed social legislation

Do you have something specific?

... she is in favor of repealing Obamacare, one of the most offensive pieces of social legislation ever passed.

She is anti-republican. Look at her record of service in Alaska. And she had over a 90% (best in the nation) approval rating as Governor.

[colt1rgr]

Here is another reason I cannot stand "Slappy!" Lies about being a Christian (and an American) and then goes out and endorses this racist pagan crap! This is what an unbelieving world simply finds "unbelievable!"


The day after Christmas, President Barack and First Lady Michelle Obama wanted all Americans to share in their overflowing holiday spirit, so they wished everyone a Happy Kwanzaa. On the second day of Christmas the First Family gave to us an official statement celebrating a “holiday” invented by an ex-con turned Marxist professor whose fanatical followers killed two men. (They issued a similar proclamation last year; Presidents Bush and Clinton have also praised Kwanzaa.) The Obamas’ Kwanzaa message praised the holiday’s notion of black ethnic solidarity and collectivism. The president wrote:

Michelle and I extend our warmest thoughts and wishes to all those who are celebrating Kwanzaa this holiday season. Today [Dec. 26] is the first of a joyful seven-day celebration of African American culture and heritage.

The seven principles of Kwanzaa — unity, self-determination, collective work and responsibility, cooperative economics, purpose, creativity and faith — are some of the very values that make us Americans.

As families across America and around the world light the Kinara today in the spirit of umoja, or unity, our family sends our well wishes and blessings for a happy and healthy new year.

The terse announcement induces boredom unless one knows the history of Kwanzaa, its Marxist creator, and its racially focused teachings.

Kwanzaa: A Made-Up Holiday for Black Marxists

Kwanzaa was created by Ron Everett, who in the fashion of Malcolm X dropped his “slave name” and dubbed himself Maulana Karenga; Maulana means “master-teacher” in Swahili, and Karenga means “nationalist.” He founded The Organization US, and once again the name possessed hidden significance: US stood not for United States but for “United Slaves.”

He invented Kwanzaa in 1966 as a pan-African holiday of black liberation and racial solidarity. He pretended the week-long celebration that begins on December 26 was invented in Africa and even gave its seven precepts, which he invented, Swahili names. He later admitted to The Washington Post:

People think it’s African. But it’s not. I wanted to give black people a holiday of their own. So I came up with Kwanzaa. I said it was African because you know black people in this country wouldn’t celebrate it if they knew it was American. I put it around Christmas because I knew that’s when a lot of ‘bloods’ [Blacks] would be partying.

But he and his “Slaves” had loftier ambitions. They intended to take over UCLA’s Black Studies department. Unfortunately, the Black Panthers had the same idea, and the two groups clashed on campus, often violently. In 1969, two of Karenga’s followers murdered Black Panthers John Higgins and Al “Bunchy” Carter.

Convicted of Torture

One year later, Karenga would dish out the violence against his fellow black nationalists, this time against his own faithful. He was convicted and served time in prison for imprisoning and torturing two women, Gail Davis and Deborah Jones, inside his Inglewood, California, home in May 1970. Karenga accused the two women, who were living in his house, of attempting to assassinate him by placing “crystals” in his food and clothing. A reporter recently summarized the Los Angeles Times‘ coverage of Karenga’s 1971 trial:

Karenga and the other [three] men forced the women to remove their clothes, and beat them with an electrical cord and a karate baton. The men put a hot soldering iron in one woman’s mouth and against her face, and they squeezed one woman’s big toe in a vise, the Times reported. Karenga’s former wife, Brenda Lorraine Karenga, testified he sat on one woman’s stomach while another man forced water into her mouth through a hose.

All the while, Karenga verbally terrorized the women, saying, “Vietnamese torture is nothing compared to what I know.” The Times added the next day “Karenga, holding a gun, threatened to shoot both of them.” His own wife testified against him in his 1971 trial.

After being sentenced to between one and ten years in prison, he served four or five. While in the big house, Karenga is widely suspected of turning stool pigeon for the FBI.

After getting out of prison, Karenga recycled his nonsensical theories into a Ph.D. thesis and in time became head of the Department of Black (now Africana) Studies at California State University at Long Beach. According to Jesse Lee Peterson’s book Scam, Karenga headed the department for 13 years, using it as a platform to teach racism and political radicalism. That extremism pervades the holiday that our president has celebrated.

How Barack Got His Umoja Back

In this year’s Kwanzaa proclamation, Barack and Michelle Obama specifically praise Karenga’s seven principles of Kwaznaa as the quintessence of American public life, “the very values that make us Americans.” They specifically mentioned “umoja,” or unity. However, Kwanzaa’s unity is a racial unity of all black people — in a struggle against others. In his 1988 book The African American Holiday of Kwanzaa: A Celebration of Family Community and Culture, Karenga wrote that umoja “means a oneness, a similarity and sameness that gives us an identity as a people, an African people. And inherent in the identity as a people is the ethical and political imperative to self-consciously unite in order to define, defend and develop our interests.”

The post-racial president and his wife just saluted black racial solidarity.

One thing is clear: whatever pan-African umoja is, it is not one “of the very values that make us Americans.”

The remaining six principles are, if anything, less subtle. Kathy Shaidle pointed out, “Ujamaa, or ‘cooperative economics’—one of the seven principles of Kwanzaa—is the term the socialist leader of Tanzania, Julius Nyerere, used for his disastrous policy of putting tens of thousands of Tanzanians on collective farms.” (Emphasis in original.)

All of Karenga’s “collective” actions and racial focus sound as though they were plucked from Jeremiah Wright’s church, with its “African values” and racialist focus. Obama, who spent a few decades imbibing Wright’s poison, now encourages the world to celebrate Karenga’s black nationalist festival, claiming its values embody the American way as he sees it. Is Obama a racially obsessed collectivist? At some point, the American people must accept his words at face value.

[RangerX]

Again, do I need a reason?!?

[LJ_602]

I heard some bullshit about not letting anyone get their retirment money untill they turned 65. So when I can retire at 44 I have to wait 21 years to get my retirement pension. WTF!!

[RANGER513]

ANY U.S. President who does not salute, or at the very fucking least, put his damn hand over his heart when our beloved National Athem is played and Old Glory is flying high is a damn good enough reason to hate em.