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I never gave a shit about what folks cared back home. This is sort of the military version of wealth envy. You look at rich folks, and then think bad about them because they have all the money. If you are in the military, looking at the civilian folks, thinking bad about them because they aren't giving enough for the "cause", then it is pretty much the same.

I looked at it the opposite way. None of those frappa mocachino whatever drinking civilians will ever see what I saw, do what I did, or experience even 1/10 of what I've been through. In their teeny little hearts they all wish they could be us. They will spend hours and hours playing video games simulating what we did, but they will never really know what it is.
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Post by DJB »

your answer here

Why would you want to dumb down the U.S. Army with civilian draftees?


Seriously, I would fight tooth and nail against a draft. Not only is it wrong for the army. Its wrong for freedom. Indentured servitude whether military service or Obamas twisted socialist "Universal Voluntary(involuntary) Public Service" plan, is slavery and a gross violation of personal freedom.

Plus a volunteer army is a check on government power. Private citizens need to preserve every check we can on the ever growing government.
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GACadet wrote: I wonder though, sometimes, if some of these people are worth defending. Those sucking off the government tit, the 400 pounders with their social security and handicapped stickers rolling through department stores on their scooters who got that way because they were too fucking lazy to hop on a treadmill and couldn't find time anyway between stuffing their face with fast food and watching Dr. Phil. fuck. I shouldn't be so cynical.
These people are the fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, aunts and uncles of the Warriors that we have enlisted with - and the very people I think about every day I lace up my boots.

I'm not a shooter, so maybe I don't have the perspective. Shit I fired my M9 a total of three times in 7 months in country, and I'm not sure I ever actually acquired a target.

I enlisted as a medic because I felt like if I could help save one life, so that one less mother had to get that folded up flag delivered to her doorstep, then I would have done my job. If she was a 400lb social security beneficiary, or thought that The View was Emmy award-winning television, it didn't really matter.
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I wonder though, sometimes, if some of these people are worth defending.
This is the thought of soldiers throughout history. Imagine those few standing at Thermopylae. They were there to delay an invasion to save Greece. They were probably thinking of all those toga wearing homosexuals in Athens, and then wondering if they were worth defending.
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GACadet wrote:As warriors, what do you feel about the idea that you all sacrifice so much and the civilian population is asked to sacrifice so little, even financially?
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It's not the people who are worth defending, but the American way of life.
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Personally, I never joined or stayed in the military because of the people who live here nor did I ever give a rats ass if they liked, appreciated, or even cared what I did for a living. As little as they cared, I cared less. I joined because it was what I wanted to do. But there is one thing I did believe when I went in, still do. The freedoms we have which include freedom to not give a damn, freedom to speak against ideals that you stand for, freedoms to be whatever it is in life that they want to be are paramount to a free society. THAT, regardless of all else is a freedom worth having because at the same time they can speak out against you...you have the freedom to not listen to them.

The draft? As Tenn stated, it has it's place. I liked being teamed up with people of like thoughts, like ideals, and truthfully...people who would not back down when shit got ugly. I like our system. I like warriors. I like being able to express myself against those assholes that express themselves against what I believe. And now as a civilian who has been on the dark side and do not have to uphold the quiet professional image of a uniform,..I like being able to slap the shit out of some bloviating asshole whose beliefs are contrary to mine. I like that freedom.
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Soldiers sacrifice so civilians don't have to.
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There are a few of us who still remember serving with draftees. As with everything you get good and bad. If you check back the media (as fucking usual) really fed everyone a line of shit. Some of the best troops I served with had been drafted. Not all were shit-heads. Seems that the feeling then was if I'm called I'll go, if not, I won't,

I would hazard a guess that about 50% of volunteers for the LRP/Ranger units in SEA were draftee. Did their job, did it well and got out. Anybody got any heartburn with that?

As far as todays generation, I'd rather have a volunteer force than some of the dumbed-down ass-wipes that's out there.
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Countless draftee's performed honorably and admirably in combat. And any criticisms I have with the draft should not be misinterpreted as criticisms of soldiers who were drafted in to combat. That said, I can not support a conscription army. I am not convinced that it has ever been necessary to secure the freedoms of our country. Ever. To argue this is pointless though seeing as how we cant go back in time and see how things would have turned out. But I think that both the constitution and the intentions of the founders of the constitution are on the side of personal freedom and against the draft and Selective service.

13th amendment to the US constitution:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2. Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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Post by rgrpuck »

I can get pretty assed up at the civilains we defend. However I choose to surround myself with warriors.

A draft will do nothing but fuck up the military. If it comes then I will more than likely retire.

As RGROK stated....we are what they wished they could be.

I am not sure who said this ...But ...every man thinks ill of himself for haveing not been a soldier.

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