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"We Can’t Just Leave it Up to The Parents"

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Speaking at Monday's signing ceremony for the “Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act”-- a law that will subsidize and regulate what children eat before school, at lunch, after school, and during summer vacations in federally funded school-based feeding programs -- First Lady Michelle Obama said of deciding what American children should eat: “We can’t just leave it up to the parents."

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You can't get any more nanny state than that.
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This is a joke, right? Is this site like "The Onion"?
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Lunch wrote:I was finding the irony of providing free meals to combat obesity. Seems like that's a problem that would take care of itself.
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Re: "We Can’t Just Leave it Up to The Parents"

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I am an active parent in my child's school and the food they currently serve our children is shit. Period... I for one am glad to see some progress of improving it. My wife and I pack our sons lunch daily and the school has strict instructions on what he is allowed to eat. Too many children don't have that luxury as we do. Regulations have already been put in place and this is just improving on them... My wife and I have been lobbying for better nutrition for many years... Just as the service is implementing the RAW (Ranger Athlete Warrior) program. I believe that the nutrition part should be followed by our Federally Funded Schools. If you want to read up on it here it is:

http://news.soc.mil/releases/News%20Arc ... 23-01.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Kuddos on trying to improve on a system that is failing our youth.

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Re: "We Can’t Just Leave it Up to The Parents"

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Ranger RC - I'm with you, but the bill isn't taking away your rights as a parent. If it came down to it, I would be the first person to take my child out of the system and home school him.... All it is doing is improving on something that is already in place and giving more authority on what is allowed to be served in the school food programs. Plus it is helping out low income area schools...

These are the points of the bill:

President Obama signed into law a bill aimed at expanding the nation’s school lunch program and setting new standards for what is in those lunches.

The new law will set nutrition standards for all food served in public schools. It will send more money to low-income areas to subsidize free meals.

The $4.5 billion measure will increase federal reimbursements for free lunches at a time when many school districts are facing budget cuts. The law will also expand access to free lunch programs, in part by granting access to cash-strapped schools.

The new law also expands government power over what foods can be served. The measure aims to cut back on greasy, calorie-ladened foods. While the federal government currently already oversees standards aimed at food served in schools, the new law will expand those to cover all lunch hours.

The Secretary of Agriculture will oversee the setting of standards, while the Department of Education is expected to oversee the law’s implementation.

The impact of the law is expected to be mixed. Already a number of school districts have standards in place. The current bill will likely have little impact in the those areas.



Ranger Lunch - to answer your questions:

1) You and your wife pack your son's lunch daily, so why does the school need instructions on what he is allowed to eat?

On occasion the school has special days for treats, ie. ice cream social, cookie day, etc... Also the kids are notorious at trading food items like we all did in Ranger School... And sad to say my son is much more sensitive toward food items than most kids.

2) Not to be an insensitive prick, but in my mind school is not supposed to be a proxy soup kitchen/homeless shelter. By all means, make school lunches available since kids are in school at lunch time and maybe some breakfast for kids who have to leave home crazy early to make the bus- and make them good meals. But sending kids to school early and have them stay there late so they can get the three meals a day + snacks and free day care isn't right.

If you consider yourself an insensitive prick then I'm king of all pricks :) Seriously your not being a prick, I just don't agree with you about proxy soup kitchen/homeless shelters. Our school district doesn't provide morning or afternoon meals neither is there free daycare. It's all out of pocket. Maybe it is totally different elsewhere, I can only speak of my school district. I belong to our School Site Council and we oversee funds that the school receives and where it gets spent. We all get one vote on issues. As for the working parents, it's tough on a child not having your parents around. Fortunately for a great career I'm able take care of my family so that mama doesn't have to work.

3) If kids are obsese because of the junk food they are eating at home (as suggested by what I read), they are still gonna keep eating junk food at home; they'll just get and extra meal or two to boot under this system.

This might be true but I hope not. In laymen terms this is how I understand school funding. The district gets a pot of gold and they divvy it up to all the schools within the district, typically based on the number of students. Each child is awarded a dollar amount. Of the total amount that goes towards our little school, the fund is then divided back into its components and each component has a code tied to it on what the fund can be used for or not. Some components can be used at the discretion of the council, which is where we have a vote on how best to spend it for our school, while others are coded for specific use and cannot be touched. That simple. The calculations on how this done are way above my pay-grade.

I don't feel "the system" is failing our youth, I say its parents. Any system (in this context) that's in place is there is mainly because of parents who are making bad decisions and have confused wants with priorities and necessities. Of course this isn't true across the board and it is my narrow opinion of the world, and I might be completely wrong. But that's what I think

Your opinion is respected by me and to many others, I do believe that in the end, it all falls back on to the parents. As a parent I am trying to do my part in my civic duty as part of this council.

In conclusion my biggest kudos for the bill is that we as a nation are starting to truly understand how nutrition plays a major role in our education system as does the military with the RAW (Ranger Athlete Warrior) Program. Just my two cents worth.

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Re: "We Can’t Just Leave it Up to The Parents"

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It is not my Federal Governments job to regulate what children eat at school. It is not my Federal Governments job to pay for those meals. My Federal Governments job is to regulate Interstate Commerce and to protect me and my family from those that would do us harm.
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If the Federal Government were to mind there own fucking business and keep to the things they were chartered for they wouldn't need to bleed the public for so much of their income and local governments would be able to take those dollars and apply them more effectively.

I, also don't need people in California, New York, or Washington DC forcing their ideas on people in Oregon or Texas on what they need to be doing. The tree hugging hippies can keep their ideas on nutrition to themselves, along with all their other fucked up ideas!
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Ranger Lunch - I agree 4.5 Billion in the next ten years is hard to swallow and I agree with Ranger Slowpoke that our Government should just take care of interstate commerce and protect us, but this program has been around longer than I've been alive. It is just a revamping of the 1966 Child Nutrition Act. Plus The National School Lunch Act has been around since the 79th Congress passed it in 1946. Regardless of how we feel about our current government we have to play among the rules that guide us. You have to participate in voting and get involved to make changes that are significant in your life. As they say, don't hate the player hate the game. I am not fond of the ways of being a politician (and I am not a politician, just respectful), but I understand it. If you are interested, here is some info on the subject.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/cnd/lunch/About ... tory_5.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/ ... fety_N.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.fns.usda.gov/fns/az-map.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Believe me, I am no fan of big government, and I have no reason to throw salt on you, you are my Ranger brother, we can all have our opinions and have a healthy discussion of matters that concern us all!!! RLTW

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Re: "We Can’t Just Leave it Up to The Parents"

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:mrgreen:

Don't think that just because I'm blunt that I'm pissed off at you.....it's just my inner asshole showing through!
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