College gun bill approved

[panthersix]

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By Janet Elliott - Houston Chronicle

AUSTIN — A bill to allow college students and employees to carry their concealed handguns on campus won final passage today on a 19-12 vote in the Senate.

The bill would allow college students who are at least 21 years old and licensed to carry concealed handguns to bring those weapons into state campus buildings. University hospitals and athletic facilities would remain off limits to guns.

The bill would apply to all universities and colleges in Texas, though private institutions would be able to opt out.

Sen. Jeff Wentworth, R-San Antonio, said he introduced the bill because of the 2007 massacre at Virginia Tech, where, he said, victims were “picked off like sitting ducks.”

“I would feel personally guilty if I woke up one morning and read that something similar had occurred on a Texas campus,” he said.

If the Senate gives the bill final approval — which could happen today — the measure could go back to the House, where it died last week because legislators did not make the deadline to debate it.

However, legislative rules allow members of the House to take up the Senate version if they do it before midnight May 26.

Exactly half the House members, 75 of 150, have signed on as supporters of the bill, a legislative priority of the Texas State Rifle Association, an affiliate of the National Rifle Association.

[Silverback]

Only history can decide if this is a good or bad decision.

[K.Ingraham]

"Prior history" has already proven this to be a good decision.

American Civic Association, Binghamton NY Apr09

Luby's, TX somewhere, 1991 or so..

Virginia Tech

Long Island Railroad

etc etc etc, whereever the "please don't shoot me" crowd gathers.

[Bcosniper]

"Prior history" has already proven this to be a good decision.

American Civic Association, Binghamton NY Apr09

Luby's, TX somewhere, 1991 or so..

Virginia Tech

Long Island Railroad

etc etc etc, whereever the "please don't shoot me" crowd gathers.

Yes, x2

[kildagin]

Is the thought process with legislation such as this that an individual with a gun in a threat situation would engage the threat, or that they would scare said "bad guy" away?

My wife was within rock throwing distance when things went down at Virginia Tech, so this topic is close to my heart. Many of her friends asked me about guns and gun control in the weeks following, as I was the resident army guy. My opinion was that another person with a gun would likely be someone un or under trained, and would just as likely add to the problem as solve it.

I am sure that it has happened somewhere, but is there much statistical support for individuals in the right place at the right time with a gun diffusing situations such as the massacre at Virginia Tech?

Bottom line, if this legislation would ultimately save someone, then it is great. However, I see the way most college kids operate vehicles in and around college campuses, and the thought of them engaging targets in a high pressure situation with a pistol makes me more than a little nervous.

Kildagin

[EvilCouch]

Bottom line, if this legislation would ultimately save someone, then it is great. However, I see the way most college kids operate vehicles in and around college campuses, and the thought of them engaging targets in a high pressure situation with a pistol makes me more than a little nervous.

Kildagin

Well, you could say the same thing about the way that most privates drive. At any rate, there's at least a platoon-sized element of former grunts at my college. I'd imagine that if they put something like this into effect in Washington, most of the potential QRF elements would be college kids like me: dudes that have done one or two hitches and are looking for an education.

[panthersix]

We all know that alcohol and guns don’t mix, but this was displayed vividly on May 15, 1954 at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill. That morning at approximately 7 a.m. after a long night of drinking, Putnam Davis Jr. pulled out a gun and started shooting with a gun he’d gotten from a former roommate’s car. Again, note that this wasn’t his gun. Others present returned his gunfire killing him. Two other students – fraternity brothers of Davis – were injured, but were apparently responsible for stopping his attack by shooting him.

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[panthersix]

College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader
Posted: 4:53 pm EDT May 4, 2009
Updated: 9:09 am EDT May 7, 2009

COLLEGE PARK, Ga. -- A group of college students said they are lucky to be alive and they’re thanking the quick-thinking of one of their own. Police said a fellow student shot and killed one of two masked me who burst into an apartment.

Channel 2 Action News reporter Tom Jones met with one of the students to talk about the incident.

“Apparently, his intent was to rape and murder us all,” said student Charles Bailey.

TOM JONES: College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader


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[Oto-Man]

Bottom line, if this legislation would ultimately save someone, then it is great. However, I see the way most college kids operate vehicles in and around college campuses, and the thought of them engaging targets in a high pressure situation with a pistol makes me more than a little nervous.

Kildagin

Well, you could say the same thing about the way that most privates drive. At any rate, there's at least a platoon-sized element of former grunts at my college. I'd imagine that if they put something like this into effect in Washington, most of the potential QRF elements would be college kids like me: dudes that have done one or two hitches and are looking for an education.

I agree with JLTW on this one...

Think about it...

21 yo., fingerprinted, some sort of FA training, applied for and purchased CCW permit...

Not just ANY college student...It just will even the playing field with the asshole that wants to start shooting...an armed society is a polite society...

Maybe he will try the McDonalds down the street (wich in TX means EVERYONE will have a gun )...instead of his armed classroom...

I'm all for it...

I carry anywhere I am legally able, and in those cases, it's as close as legally possible.

VT got news, but there are hundereds if not thousands of incidences per month that dont get National News where an armed civilian reduces a situation by lawfully defending themselves or others with a handgun...

Funny thing about guns...those that are carrying legally seem to be very careful...the bad guys seem to just give a fuck...


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[Bcosniper]

Is the thought process with legislation such as this that an individual with a gun in a threat situation would engage the threat, or that they would scare said "bad guy" away?

My wife was within rock throwing distance when things went down at Virginia Tech, so this topic is close to my heart. Many of her friends asked me about guns and gun control in the weeks following, as I was the resident army guy. My opinion was that another person with a gun would likely be someone un or under trained, and would just as likely add to the problem as solve it.

I am sure that it has happened somewhere, but is there much statistical support for individuals in the right place at the right time with a gun diffusing situations such as the massacre at Virginia Tech?

Bottom line, if this legislation would ultimately save someone, then it is great. However, I see the way most college kids operate vehicles in and around college campuses, and the thought of them engaging targets in a high pressure situation with a pistol makes me more than a little nervous.

Kildagin

The point is that anyone who has a concealed permit can carry, which excludes most college students already. Under trained people utilize force all the time to thwart crimes in their own homes and besides all that any concealed course will almost put you at the campus cop level of training.

[rgrokelley]

However, I see the way most college kids operate vehicles in and around college campuses, and the thought of them engaging targets in a high pressure situation with a pistol makes me more than a little nervous.

Kildagin

As opposed to no one, trained or not, having any weapon at all, and the shooter able to kill at random until he either runs out of ammo, or kills himself?

Columbine versus Pearl High School, Alabama

Columbine = two shooters kill 12 and wound 21. Almost an hour after they killed themselves the first police entered the building. No opposition at all.

Pearl High School, Alabama = a shooter enters a school with a rifle, and shoots his girlfriend and one other. The principal runs to his car, gets his .45 and then holds it against shooters head until police arrive.

I could go on and on with literally hundreds of cases similiar to this, but like the quote says ""An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it.“

[kildagin]

Thanks for the replies. I suppose that in most cases the individuals with the concealed weapon would have had the training to use it in a way that would at least aid in diffusing the situation (as in the example above where the attempted rapist ran from the house while his buddy was killed). Are there provisions in the law dictating any particular amount of training necessary, or does it fall on the concealed carry permit regulations for whichever state the college lies in.

I imagine it is fair to assume that most individuals who would concealed carry at school would seek out or have the proper training, but looking at the regulations, there is great variety in requirements for a concealed carry permit in different states. North Carolina requires a two day class, I have heard that Georgia only requires that you fill out some paperwork (cannot confirm this, have not gone through the process in Georgia myself)

[EvilCouch]

Neither Georgia nor Washington required me to do anything but fill out forms and pay fees to get my permits.

[Flesh Thorn]

I just don't understand the opposition to legal concealed carry on campuses. Reason tells me that weapons are already there.