New LRS unit at Lewis

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rangertough wrote: SB,

I see where you are coming from but I meant METL. What I meant is I hope that the unit is given the oportunity to execute a METL that fits more closely with what a LRS unit is designed for. Lets face it a LRS isn't designed for running and gunning on convoys, nor are the designed to fill a scouts role either. LRS units have been treated as bastard children for a long time. First, because a lot of DIV/CORPS Commanders want to depend on ELINT and Imagery from drones than on the word of some lowly private in a survalence position. Second, Commanders are just not informed of what their LRS are capable of.

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How does LRS fit into our current Brigade Combat team? Keep in mind that some Brigade Commanders had/have responsibility for up to 7 Maneuver Battalions.
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LRS is the red headed step-child, just like the scouts. 4-2 at Lewis also has a great guy as acting PSG (former 2/75 guy). I asked him if I could come by and peddle my wares and he told me flat out that it was a waste of time. Scouts to his commander meant QRF and Air Assault raids and nothing to do with reconnaissance.
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lonergr77 wrote:LRS is the red headed step-child, just like the scouts. 4-2 at Lewis also has a great guy as acting PSG (former 2/75 guy). I asked him if I could come by and peddle my wares and he told me flat out that it was a waste of time. Scouts to his commander meant QRF and Air Assault raids and nothing to do with reconnaissance.
And that is based on the current requirement. In my last Infantry assignment (2-503d) we used our scouts for a lot of different missions, some recon (route recon was a different animal then), some surveillance (sniper type), etc...

The problem we have is our flexibility. Commanders are given wide latitude to take the fight to the enemy. An HHC commander is normally a guy who doesn't want to be the HHC commander and being the Commander of recon is not as sexy as having a "Maneuver element". Which means the scouts become a fighting force out of necessity, frustration and other factors.
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lonergr77 wrote:LRS is the red headed step-child, just like the scouts. 4-2 at Lewis also has a great guy as acting PSG (former 2/75 guy). I asked him if I could come by and peddle my wares and he told me flat out that it was a waste of time. Scouts to his commander meant QRF and Air Assault raids and nothing to do with reconnaissance.

What kind of wares you "peddling?"
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JLTW!!! wrote:
lonergr77 wrote:LRS is the red headed step-child, just like the scouts. 4-2 at Lewis also has a great guy as acting PSG (former 2/75 guy). I asked him if I could come by and peddle my wares and he told me flat out that it was a waste of time. Scouts to his commander meant QRF and Air Assault raids and nothing to do with reconnaissance.

What kind of wares you "peddling?"
reconnaissance and surveillance equipment, plus we do a whole line of radio amplifiers and comms equipment.
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Guess I'm confused on my terminology.

What I meant was from past history it's common for I corps to switch back and forth between NG and AD for a unit to be it's main asset...if that makes sense.

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BadMuther wrote:Guess I'm confused on my terminology.

What I meant was from past history it's common for I corps to switch back and forth between NG and AD for a unit to be it's main asset...if that makes sense.
Makes sense & this occurs during every drawdown.
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Tenn-RGR wrote:
Silverback wrote:The thought of a six man team conducting a static line infiltration into enemy controlled territory is a romantic thought, but reality is...nearly the same surveillance or reconnaissance can be conducted remotely these days and without the risk to personnel and manned aircraft.
This be the truth.
Plus no Commander will set the assets aside to support a mission like that.
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Re: New LRS unit at Lewis

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Hey guys long time no post...I am on assignment for Ft. Lewis reporting early 2009. I was wondering if the LRS unit is already stood up and running or if they are still manning it. Any and All info would be greatly appreciated, I am very very very interested in LRS, and would love a job there.

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I see lots of misunderstandings about new and old LRS units.
The Lewis unit will be part of the MI brigade. All the MI Brigades are becoming Battle Field Surveillance Brigades (BFSB). All BFSBs will eventually stand up a RSTA squadron. These are supposed to consist of 1 HQ troop 2 CAV troops and 1 LRS company (LRS)(ABN). CAV branch has seen to it that the LSRS Companies are actually being stood up as troops. For some reason infantry branch is letting that happen. As of March '09 there will be no LRSCs left.
Even F/51 is being reflagged as C/38 CAV. There are still arguments about whether they will wear maroon or black berets and whether or not they will fly infantry or CAV guidons. They will be working for LEG MI and CAV commanders so that out come is most likely not going to go the way they want.
As for using LRS they still do get used for recon missions the problem is the MI Brigades micromanage them and are extremely risk averse. Occasionally an Air Assault 6 man LRS mission comes down. Most of there time is spent going to parts of the battle field that the Battle space owners will not.
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Rangertom, thanks for the quick synopsis...Now, make your next post in the Intro forum and tell us a little about yourself as per site SOP.
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well I made it to the company.

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Your first shirt used to be my squad leader in 3rd bat very knowledgeable guy. I hope you guys manage to break out of the strangle hold the BfSB's have had on limiting LRS capabilities and actually get to do your jobs. If not get ready for a very frustrating deployment.
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Blacksrt4 wrote:well I made it to the company.
Outstanding.
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Re: New LRS unit at Lewis

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CSM Puck, SB, I understand what you are saying. Isn't Strategic Recononaissance still a viable mission though? Pete Blaber talks about the need for guys on the ground to develop the situation vs a predator live feed.

It's hard to imagine the need for guys on the ground recon to ever go away. Then again, I've been out a long time.


Blacksrt, anybody in your unit that was there when it was I Corps LRSC (E-co 14th MI)?

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