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I just found out that my first assignment after completing my initial training will be to the 525th Battlefield Surveillance Brigade out of Bragg. I got in touch with the CO of F CO, 51st IN (LRS)(Airborne), and he said all 11A's in the brigade are in his Company.

Basically, I'm looking for some variety of information and opinions on the unit (Brigade and/or Company), its missions, and anything I can do to succeed as a 2LT there (or in LRS in general). Thanks for any responses in advance Rangers.

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There are several on this forum that have served in Fun 51. However my infrom ation is extreamly dated and probably wont serve you well.
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F 51st covered down on us in the Box.

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Well, I left F CO 5 months ago for a reason. Why?

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Part of the problem today is that DA is assigning newly commissioned officers right out of IOBC as PL's there. They have no business being there. When I got there our PL's were either Captains or 1st Lieutenants. I did have a 2LT as a PL once but he was prior enlisted with a whole lot to offer. There is absolutely nothing that a cherry 2LT can do for me as a TL, especially in the area of mission planning. I don't mean to sound harsh but you are going to be in way over your head.

I'll be completely honest with you. I absolutely loved that company when I was there. It was a great place then, but it is a complete disaster now.

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Post by Bulldawgs07 »

I appreciate the replies so far. Ranger Phantom, I'd rather hear your honest opinion, harsh or not, than some lukewarm BS. Thanks for the straightforward reply. If you don't mind me asking, is there anything that a fresh 2LT can do (besides learn as much as possible at RS and RSLC) to mitigate what you're talking about?

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You are on the right path if everything works out for you. By the time you go to Hooah school and maybe RSLC. Most guys stuck on Benning try to get Pathfinder and stuff. That's cool, but if you can, try to 'blackbird' and hang with a TOE or a unit with troops and has an infantry mission. This way Ranger school isn't the only time you were in charge of lower enlisted and NCOs (plus, there rank isn't a factor anyway).

To be successful as a young officer, you MUST rely on your NCOs to get you squared away especially in a LRS unit. The tempo and motivation will be different than what you will see on Kelley Hill. Just go by 3rd Batt and watch the tip of the spear in action on a daily basis.

Read what you can...there are a dozen books and sites with mainly Vietnam LRRP/Rangers out there. Since some of the LRS missions are becoming or have been direct action not just surveillance (current conflict), you might want to get a feel from our forefathers. Lastly, talk to folks who have been and are currently in the few LRS assignments left. G2 a little.

Finally, the main thing will be on you once you show up at your unit and just experience the lifestyle. Normally, we had PLs from line units when I was in Echo 51st unless they were prior service enlisted (and then most of these guys were ex-LRS and/or SF). You are on the right path just coming here and asking proper questions. I wish you the best and hope to hear that everything has worked itself out. Remeber to take care of your Soldiers and don't let them get abused by the MI weenies or when they are attached to other units. Especially leg ones who have no idea what to do with you except guard, QRF, dog catching, details, convoy security, common task trainers for the MI Bn or Bde, TOC security, Cdr drivers, range cadre for Bn or Bde ranges (cause were infantry), unfair UCMJ receipents (hey cause we got caught! okay!), and as a LT: liason duty or infil planner.

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Fox were some good dudes. We replaced them in the sandbox in 08. About the cherry Pls. That has been a big problem with our LRS unit down in "the Hood". But i believe they are trying to mitigate that for the next go around overseas.
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mountaingoat wrote:About the cherry Pls. That has been a big problem with our LRS unit down in "the Hood". But i believe they are trying to mitigate that for the next go around overseas.
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Rangertom wrote:
mountaingoat wrote:About the cherry Pls. That has been a big problem with our LRS unit down in "the Hood". But i believe they are trying to mitigate that for the next go around overseas.
you funny GI.
Not so much. :(
I wasn't trying to be funny or disrespectful Rangertom. We had alot of platoon level command relieved in country.
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mountaingoat wrote:
Rangertom wrote:
mountaingoat wrote:About the cherry Pls. That has been a big problem with our LRS unit down in "the Hood". But i believe they are trying to mitigate that for the next go around overseas.
you funny GI.
Not so much. :(
I wasn't trying to be funny or disrespectful Rangertom. We had alot of platoon level command relieved in country.
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mountaingoat wrote: I wasn't trying to be funny or disrespectful Rangertom. We had alot of platoon level command relieved in country.
I did not think you were being disrespectful. I was simply pointing out that it is an ongoing problem that is not about to change. I was one of the guys that handed off to you 3rd platoon. In theory the LRS companies now CAV Troops are supposed to be manned by experienced people. The lowest level officer on the MTOE in a 1LT. It is supposed to be your second PL time aka specialty platoon. HRC is so busy trying to tread water rite now it is a surprise they have not sent a PFC to be the PL yet. No commander is going to let his star performer change units. It has been a constant argument against Regiment and SF going back decades. That it concentrates the high performers in one place leaving fewer of them in the rest of the army thereby weakening the rest of the army bla bla bla.
You are right they should fix the issue. My point is they are not and they are not going to.

The silver lining in this is they are not going to use LRS correctly or anywhere near their potential. Actually the 504 BfSB (’06-’07) went out of its way to destroy and minimize its LRS unit’s reputation and even tried doing it to F/51. They were so successful that the PAO section in Iraq called the LRS TF the TF DONKY. It took us most of the deployment to start turning that around. Here is an article that the PAO wrote that started reversing the gasoline and donkeys reputation. http://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZAWYA20071118053124" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
By the way ‘Prame’ is actually SGT Frame.

It is not a surprise you lost leaders. When we worked for the 504th the CSM specifically said he wanted to see how many LRS NCOs they could bust down. (meanwhile the BGD CO had just had his 3rd negligent discharge[yes 3rd]) I personally got read my rights because I would not take the BS being handed out. (Never did get my lawyer the investigation just suddenly disappeared) They also said they did not want to send anyone to Ranger School because it would make those guys think they were better than the MI guys. (we warned your CO I think he did manage to send some guys)

Sense I do not believe in complaining without having solutions, I do have a fix for this. LRS should be manned by OCS grads preferably from SF, Ranger, Combat arms backgrounds. That way the 2LT has the experience he is supposed to for that 1LT job and sense a LRS'T' is MTOED more HALO and Combat Divers than an SF Battalion the specialty school quals these officers have will not be wasted.

The original post is from 2 years ago but the miss use of LRS style units goes back for decades. Now that they work for a CAV Squadrons it is not going to change anytime soon.
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Roger, I understand now. Yeah we have blended with the MI like oil and water since i've been here. Its sad how the try to smash us at every turn. They actually brief their new females "Don't talk or associate yourself with the LRS guys" which i think is pretty funny. I'll be going to Bragg soon so i won't be with those faeries anymore. I just pray our replacements have a better chance than we did for things like schools and such. -mgoat
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mountaingoat wrote:..... They actually brief their new females "Don't talk or associate yourself with the LRS guys" .....
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mountaingoat wrote:Roger, I understand now. Yeah we have blended with the MI like oil and water since i've been here. Its sad how the try to smash us at every turn. They actually brief their new females "Don't talk or associate yourself with the LRS guys" which i think is pretty funny. I'll be going to Bragg soon so i won't be with those faeries anymore. I just pray our replacements have a better chance than we did for things like schools and such. -mgoat

Same issue here at Ft. Lewis LRS.

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