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Re: Random thought of the moment.

Postby NeverSayDie » November 7th, 2011, 1:53 am

Who the fuck steals mission essentail equipment from within their own platoon? I mean to hell with the integrity voilation, (if it was from another platoon in the company then I could understand the idea of it) but you're stealing from the guys that watch over you while you sleep. Thats just plain not smart. Which brings me to my question:

Rangers,

How long into RS and RASP do buddy fuckers and other assorted shitbags make it before they get weeded out? After the first few weeks can I feel comfortable leaving my ruck in the bay and not worry who's going to screw with it, or will I need to keep eyes on all of my gear in garrison the whole time?
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Re: Random thought of the moment.

Postby Baseplate » November 7th, 2011, 2:44 am

Jesus H Christ. Private Pyle, why is your footlocker unlocked?
Sir, I don't know, sir.
Private Pyle, if there is one thing in this world that I hate, it is an unlocked footlocker! You know that don't you?
Sir, yes, sir.
If it wasn't for dickheads like you, there wouldn't be any thievery in this world, would there?
Sir, no, sir.
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Re: Random thought of the moment.

Postby Zonk 1/75 » November 7th, 2011, 4:28 am

A buddy fucker to some just might be a Robin Hood to others………
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Re: Random thought of the moment.

Postby Lunch » November 7th, 2011, 6:46 am

NeverSayDie wrote:Who the fuck steals mission essentail equipment from within their own platoon? I mean to hell with the integrity voilation, (if it was from another platoon in the company then I could understand the idea of it) but you're stealing from the guys that watch over you while you sleep. Thats just plain not smart. Which brings me to my question:

Rangers,

How long into RS and RASP do buddy fuckers and other assorted shitbags make it before they get weeded out? After the first few weeks can I feel comfortable leaving my ruck in the bay and not worry who's going to screw with it, or will I need to keep eyes on all of my gear in garrison the whole time?



NeverSayDie wrote:For a good month now, new equipment has been mysteriously appearing in our pitifully understocked supply room. Yesterday, I found the door to the room unlocked and our newest addition Cadet "hernandez" alone inside. Which was especially strange since newbies are never given keys to anything. At his feet where four cardboard boxes, which I promptly inspected without saying a word.

Me: ... Hernandez, where the fuck did you get 12 camelback LBV's and two boxes of MRE's?
Hernandez: ... You ever hear the expression don't look a gift horse in the mouth?

Jesus F-ing Christ I wish I could take this guy with me to RASP


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Re: Random thought of the moment.

Postby NeverSayDie » November 7th, 2011, 3:19 pm

Lunch wrote:
NeverSayDie wrote:Who the fuck steals mission essentail equipment from within their own platoon? I mean to hell with the integrity voilation, (if it was from another platoon in the company then I could understand the idea of it) but you're stealing from the guys that watch over you while you sleep. Thats just plain not smart. Which brings me to my question:

Rangers,

How long into RS and RASP do buddy fuckers and other assorted shitbags make it before they get weeded out? After the first few weeks can I feel comfortable leaving my ruck in the bay and not worry who's going to screw with it, or will I need to keep eyes on all of my gear in garrison the whole time?



NeverSayDie wrote:For a good month now, new equipment has been mysteriously appearing in our pitifully understocked supply room. Yesterday, I found the door to the room unlocked and our newest addition Cadet "hernandez" alone inside. Which was especially strange since newbies are never given keys to anything. At his feet where four cardboard boxes, which I promptly inspected without saying a word.

Me: ... Hernandez, where the fuck did you get 12 camelback LBV's and two boxes of MRE's?
Hernandez: ... You ever hear the expression don't look a gift horse in the mouth?

Jesus F-ing Christ I wish I could take this guy with me to RASP


What comes around goes around. Thieves always fuck somebody- sucks when it's you, eh?


Ranger Lunch,

I can understand that regardless of who's around if I leave an open MRE on top of my ruck, I shouldnt expect my pound cake to still inside it when i get back, and that platoons will always find a way to get what they need, even if it comes at the expense of the other platoons, But when you're talking about something bigger then a bag of m&m's and its taken by someone that sleeps five meters away from you in a patrol base, there has to be a certain level of trust there. stealing inside the platoon is just shitting a little bit to close to where you eat for me.
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Re: Random thought of the moment.

Postby Baseplate » November 7th, 2011, 3:31 pm

Sounds like you are all a bunch of theiving peices of shit.
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Re: Random thought of the moment.

Postby NeverSayDie » November 7th, 2011, 3:51 pm

Baseplate wrote:Sounds like you are all a bunch of theiving peices of shit.


Ranger Baseplate,

I give it just as good as I get it. If I could trust every man in the company to stay out of my ruck then I would never break that trust, (hence why I never took anything from a man in my platoon). But when its common place to scrounge up needed equipment wherever you can - inculding from other platoons - it does'nt make any sense to not adapt to that envoirment and get looked at like a I'm a bad team leader becuase my guys don't have the shit they need.
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Re: Random thought of the moment.

Postby Lunch » November 7th, 2011, 3:55 pm

Theft is an honor violation, period. I believe you might recall that the Creed says something about endeavoring to uphold prestige, honor, and high esprit de corps; and also something about keeping ones self morally straight. There has to be a complete level of trust between soldiers, whether it relates to a nasty-ass pound cake sitting next to your ruck, a piece of sensitive equipment in a patrol base, or supplies sitting in some warehouse. If a person is known to steal when he gets the chance, there will always be a level of doubt about that person's integrity. If someone is stealing from his Brothers, there will always be a level of mistrust within the unit. Theft in garrison, when things are looked at closely and accounted for isn't nearly as easy as when things get "iffy" downrange where there's lots of shades of grey. Those who do not view theft as wrong will sooner or later compromise the unit's mission and integrity. Units without integrity don't get good missions. Units without integrity get scrutinized and have little freedom or flexibility. Soldiers in units without integrity don't get promoted or go to cool-guy schools like their peers. Soldiers without integrity are a liability.
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Re: Random thought of the moment.

Postby Baseplate » November 7th, 2011, 3:59 pm

Soldiers without integrity get the shit beat out of them and then get thrown down the stairs for good measure
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Re: Random thought of the moment.

Postby NeverSayDie » November 7th, 2011, 4:13 pm

Lunch wrote:Theft is an honor violation, period. I believe you might recall that the Creed says something about endeavoring to uphold prestige, honor, and high esprit de corps; and also something about keeping ones self morally straight. There has to be a complete level of trust between soldiers, whether it relates to a nasty-ass pound cake sitting next to your ruck, a piece of sensitive equipment in a patrol base, or supplies sitting in some warehouse. If a person is known to steal when he gets the chance, there will always be a level of doubt about that person's integrity. If someone is stealing from his Brothers, there will always be a level of mistrust within the unit. Theft in garrison, when things are looked at closely and accounted for isn't nearly as easy as when things get "iffy" downrange where there's lots of shades of grey. Those who do not view theft as wrong will sooner or later compromise the unit's mission and integrity. Units without integrity don't get good missions. Units without integrity get scrutinized and have little freedom or flexibility. Soldiers in units without integrity don't get promoted or go to cool-guy schools like their peers. Soldiers without integrity are a liability.


Ranger Lunch,

So what do I do as a team leader in an envoirment where its practically expected of me to make sure my guys have all their shit by any means necessary? I can't change the culture of the whole battalion, if I did I would be out of my lane. I might be able to put a stop to it in my squad, but I'd just piss off everyone from my PSG down, and put us at a disadvantage when every other squad in the company gets and has all the equipment they're expected to have but are never issued.

This is the reason why I turned down the chance to go SMP and do a few more years to get my commission, becuase its been explained to me that Regiment is a place where this kind of shit is'nt somethig you even have to take into consideration. When I heard the words " a complete meritocracy" I was sold. I'd rather be an E-1 where I can trust the guys to my left and right 100% than an 0-1 constantly having to look over my shoulder.
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Re: Random thought of the moment.

Postby Slowpoke » November 7th, 2011, 4:27 pm

With the thought in your mind that not ALL of the Cadets are taking ROTC as seriously as you are, discuss with your Squad that misapropriation of items from other Platoons is simply redistribution of essential materials. But if anyone is caught stealing from other Squad Members he will get so fucked up that his own Mother won't recognise him....and then follow through!
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Re: Random thought of the moment.

Postby Lunch » November 7th, 2011, 5:25 pm

NSD-

I'll send you a PM later this evening to stop the hijacking of a thread that's supposed to be random. But I will say this: there is a difference between what is wanted and what is needed. If it was needed, it would have been provided. If it wasn't provided, then it would be your duty and responsibility as a leader to raise a shit fit to your chain of command. As a leader, you must set the example and be the Golden Boy. None the less: choose your battles wisely, and plan your strategies carefully.
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Re: Random thought of the moment.

Postby NeverSayDie » November 8th, 2011, 12:47 am

Lunch wrote:NSD-

I'll send you a PM later this evening to stop the hijacking of a thread that's supposed to be random. But I will say this: there is a difference between what is wanted and what is needed. If it was needed, it would have been provided. If it wasn't provided, then it would be your duty and responsibility as a leader to raise a shit fit to your chain of command. As a leader, you must set the example and be the Golden Boy. None the less: choose your battles wisely, and plan your strategies carefully.


Roger that Ranger Lunch.
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Re: Random thought of the moment.

Postby cams » November 8th, 2011, 1:13 pm

NSD: After two yrs here this month, if your PT scores are the still the same as what's posted in your sigline, you won't have to worry about what happens in Batt because you'll be somewhere else.
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Re: Random thought of the moment.

Postby NeverSayDie » November 8th, 2011, 4:11 pm

cams wrote:NSD: After two yrs here this month, if your PT scores are the still the same as what's posted in your sigline, you won't have to worry about what happens in Batt because you'll be somewhere else.


Ranger Cams,

I started out only being able to do ten proper push ups and not being able to run 2 miles without stoping to walk, so I have made alot of progress. But I should be in MUCH better shape by now. Knowing I had a long time to wait before I would even have a ship date, I did'nt take PT as seriously as I should have. There is no excuse for this, and I'm embarresed to admit it. For the past 6 months I've made and continue to make huge gains.

Those scores are from my last diagnostic PT test administered by a grader about a month and some change ago. The next one is on the 14th. My scores will speak for themselves.
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